One woman, two names?

[tn17]

Hi All,
 
I’ve come up against a bit of a brick wall and I’m keen to see what some of the others who love a challenge think.
 
I’m interested in the family of Richard and Letitia/Lydia/Elizabeth Burgess. A quick run-down of them in the various censuses can be found here: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,241968.msg1317076.html
 
I just ordered the birth cert of one of the children, and the mother, who was also the informant, gave her name as Letitia Burgess formerly Barrett.
 
Only problem is, I can’t definitively find the marriage between Richard and Letitia anywhere. I can’t find them together on the 1841, so my running theory is that they are likely to have been married after that. Also, the fact that the earliest child I know of was born in 1842/43 and has the father’s name seems to suggest no earlier children.
 
There is a possible marriage in St George in the East in January 1843 between Richard Burgess and Letitia Forbes. The location is about right (St George in the East), and the marriage does identify Richard’s father’s name as Richard (it is). However, Letitia Forbes is listed as a spinster, daughter of Thomas Forbes.
 
No other marriage I can track down – either before or after 1841 – seems to clearly be these two. I also haven’t encountered another Richard/Letitia Burgess couple in the east end of London at this time my research (although that’s not to say that there weren’t others). Also, no clear hint of a christening/baptism for either a Letitia Forbes or Barrett in Woolwich, Kent, at about the right time.
 
Anybody else have any other ideas about what to make of all of this and where I can look next?
 
Thanks!

[deb usa]

Hi tn17

It's a little late here for me to have a look around ...but if you can hold on then it may be worth your while to ask for a Scavenger Hunt ...

link:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,358572.0.html

I will have a look tomorrow.

deb

[tn17]

Thanks Deb!

[deb usa]

Hi tn

There is a Probate for Richard Burgess, died 26 Sept 1880 ... executrix is LETITIA Burgess.

I am looking for a marriage ...    Can't see it yet!

Thanks for posting the link to your last thread ...

deb 

[deb usa]

Hi again

woohooooo 
transcribed as BURYOSS

 1841
Tower Hamlets
St  Matthew , Bethnal Green
Harrod st
Richard Burgess 25 paper stainer, Not born in county
Lydia 27, NBIC
George 20 paper stainer,NBIC
/
John BARRETT, 30, brick maker, NBIC

Now Richard's occupation fits with that on the Marriage in 1843 to LETITIA FORBES. This Letitia is also now using the name LYDIA.
John Barrett ...her brother?

will look some more

deb

[deb usa]

Hi tn

I've followed George Burgess through the censuses ...he was born circa 1822 Rainham, Kent. Nothing is revealed except that he married, had children, stayed in the paper staining business and also had another brother named John.

He marries as George MacKland Burgess (paper stainer, father Richard) to Ann Poyton, 15 May 1842, Stepney.

I can't seem to find a John Barrett, brick maker after 1841.

I have tried every which way to figure out if Letitia Barrett and Letitia Forbes are one and the same person. It has me bewildered. 

I will keep on searching.

If you need George Burgess' info let me know.

deb

[tn17]

Wow, Deb, you've done a great job! I'd normally say that as they're together on the 1841, we could discount the 1843 marriage, but now EVERYTHING other than her surname lines up...

For a while I wondered whether Forbes the carman was her stepfather, but he died by 1858 when my ancestor was born. It doesn't hold much weight, but this has me quite stumped.

George's details would be great, but only if it's not too much hassle

thankyou so much

[deb usa]

Hi tn

Re George Burgess

1881
Bethnal Green
36 Henderson rd
George Burgess head ar 58 Paper Stainer, b Rainham
Ann Mary wife, 56 b Bethnal Green
Eleaner, dau, widow, 36, b Stepney
Charlotte, dau, 22 b Old Ford
plus servant

1871
Bethnal Green
Kenilworth Rd
MacKland House
George Burgess, 48, paper dealer employing one servant man, b Rainham
Ann wife, 46 b Bethnal Green
Eleanor Turner, dau, widow, b Mile End Old Town
Charlotte, dau, 12 b Bow

1861
Bow
George Burgess 38 Paper stainer b Rainham
Ann wife 38 b Bethnal Green
Ann dau 18, assistant, b Stepney
Eleanor dau 16 b ditto
Rosina dau 13 b ditto
George son 9 b ditto
Charlotte dau 2 , b Old Ford
James (hard to read) brother 22

1851
Stepney, Mile End Old Town
11 Middle st
George Burgess paper stainer, b Rainham
Ann wife 26 b Middlesex
Ellen dau 6 b ditto
Nancy dau 8 b ditto
Rose dau 2 b ditto
John brother, 40 b ditto

George Mackland Burgess (paper dealer) died 7 feb 1883, Bethnal Green, Kenilwoth Rd. Probate proved by George Burgess, son, paper hanging dealer.


deb

[tn17]

Thanks Deb

Interestingly, I found the baptism of George Mackland and another brother (John) in Rainham. Their father is given as Thomas rather than Richard...

http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/query/results/?Mode=ShowImg&Img=/cityark/Scans/Ecclesiastical_Rochester_Archdeaconry_Area_Parishes/P296_RAINHAM_1517_1987/01_INITIAL_DEPOSIT_1517_1980/01_INCUMBENT_Service_of_the_Church_Registers_1592_1958/P296_01_03.html/00000028.jpg