My mystery

[MonicaL]

Sharon, just some possibilities for Magdalene Butters' parents. She shows from the censuses as being from Kinglassie.

I wondered whether this entry might be for her (from IGI):

MARGREY Butters Christened on 3 NOV 1811 in Kinglassie

There is also a (male) Butters chr. 26 JUN 1813 and a CATHIREN born on 3 JUN 1815 - also in Kinglassie.

Father is showing as an Alexander. No mother's name on Margrey and the boy's entry but Cathiren shows father as Alexander and mother as Janet Beveridge.

What were the names of William Brown's parents if you have them from his DC?

Monica

[Canada03]

Monica - according to his death certificate William's parents are William Brown and Cecilia Brunton.  I found their marriage in 1812 Portmoak.  Cecilia looks to be the daughter of John Brunton and Margaret Beaton born in 1791, and William the son of James Brown and Janet Disckson born 1787.  Or at least these are likely candidates so far.

I was looking at Margery Butters as a strong possibility too.  The date and location certainly fit.

S

[GR2]

Kirk session minutes are in the National Archives of Scotland. They have been digitised and can been read in that form there. Later this year they will be made more widely accessible. I may have an opportunity to see them later this month. If I do I'll see if I can find anything relevant to your ancestors.

Graham.

[Canada03]

That's very kind and generous of you Graham.  I am hoping to get to Scotland before the end of the year, first visit, but it is a ways off.  No worries if you don't get the chance though.

regards
Sharon

[MonicaL]

William's parents are William Brown and Cecilia Brunton. 

I was hoping that William's mother might have been Ann in trying to see what the origin of the names Ann could be. Just seeing whether William and Magdalene may have followed Scottish naming patter (see here www.halmyre.abel.co.uk/Family/naming.htm) They seemed to have done, if we are right about Magdalene's parents potentially being Alexander and Janet:

Ann b. 1839 - ?
William b. 1841 - for William's father
Janet b. 1843 - possibly for Magdalene's mother
Alexander b. 1845 - possibly for Magdalene's father
Jane b. 1846
Magdalene b. 1848   
Helen b. 1850
Cecilia b. 1852 - for William's mother

As you can see, not a precise science!

Monica

[Canada03]

  But at least I now know where 'Cecilia' came from!  The only time that name had appeared until now, and I was actually wondering whether she really fit there.  (Mary Winton's mother looks to be Janet so no confirmed link there)

[osprey]

I had a look at Mary Winton's death cert the other day. Her parents were given as Robert Winton & Janet Moncreiff. Their marriage is in IGI extracted batch M113534 for Forgandenny, dated 11/12/1807. No sons called Robert?

[AMBLY]

Hi Canada03

Just a note, in case you may pass this way again; to pass on the info below for your family file as I just came across this,  your 2011 topic!

I have:
Andrew SOUTAR & Ann BROWN's son :
Alexander Butters SOUTAR, born 20 March 1872, Ballingry Fife (exactly 99 years before me  )
Married Eliza Jessie LATTO in 1899 in Leslie, Fife.
They had 4 children, all born in Leslie:
1) Andrew  SOUTAR b. 1900 - d.1905
2) Alexander SOUTAR b. 1902 - d.1905
3) Aggie Ann Ferrier Brown SOUTAR b. 1904 - d.1905
4) Elizabeth Latto SOUTAR b. on or abt 30th March 1911 - d.1985

The 3 eldest children all died in one awful year, 1905:
Aggie  died aged 10 weeks on 5th January of Whooping Cough & Bronchitis
Andrew died age 5 on 16th November of Acute Meningitis
Alexander died age 3 on 21st Nov of Diptheria. 

Daughter Elizabeth (who was 4 days old at time of the 1911 Census) alone survived her childhood and went on to marry in 1935 to William GRUBB (she died in 1985, in Kirkcaldy, Fife).

Alexander Butters SOUTAR died 1935 in Leslie, Fife, age 63 years.

My link is his wife,  Eliza Jessie LATTO, my great-Grand-Aunt:
She was born 9 May 1873, Kingsbarns, Fife  and died 31st Dec 1955 in Kirkcaldy, age 82.
She was the daughter of Alexander LATTO (1834-1911)  and Agnes LATTO, ms FERRIER (1830-1916).

Cheers
AMBLY

[whiteout7]

I believe you would have to look at the original marriage documents of Ann Brown and Alexander Soutars marriage.

This source has physically sighted the record and believes that the 'Mary Wanton' might be an error.

http://wilkie.familygenes.ca/getperson.php?personID=I174&tree=1

Also the IGI does have Ann Browns parents as William Brown and Magdalene Butters. (My illegitimate ancestor was baptised with his unmarried parents names and the father went on to marry another woman.)

Also Ann Brown didn't pass on the Wanton/Winton name to any of her children as a middlename.