Edwin Brooks born 1890

[Leoni]

I agree with you 100% about not making any conclusions - but believe me this is the first break through I've had since I started my research. I will follow up on that file, the site I use for our records retrieval is only a reference guide so I will have to take off from work to go to the library to retrieve the actual file and see what information is available in there. Once I've done so I will let you know of the outcome :-)

[Leoni]

Is there perhaps be any relation between these two William George Brooks men?
The William married to Anna Collyer mentioned in the previous posts, and the one that married Louisa Benning.
found on FreeBMD
Marriages Jun 1864   
Benning    Louisa        Lambeth    1d   483    
Brooks    William George         Lambeth    1d   483    
George Brooks and Louisa Benning seems like the perfect couple who'd register their children as brooks-benning- but I can't pick up that they had a son or perhaps grandson named Edwin though. :-)

[Leoni]

this is what i can find under William George Brooks and Louisa Benning - pure coincidence I guess with their surnames... no Edwin listed here:

Husband:      William George BROOKS
Birth/Chris:   
... 1836 at ...
Death/Burial:      at ...
 
Wife Louisa BENNING

Married  1867
________________________________________
Children:
1. BROOKS, James Benning - at ...
2. BROOKS, Louisa H - Birth/Chris: ... 1869 at ...
3. BROOKS, Alice Mary - at ...
4. BROOKS, Edgar William - at ...
5. BROOKS, Annie Caroline Maude - Birth/Chris: ... 1876 at ...
6. BROOKS, Charles A - Birth/Chris: ... 1878 at ...
7. BROOKS, Hilda M - Birth/Chris: ... 1880 at ...
8. BROOKS, Arthur Ernest - Birth/Chris: ... 1885 at ...
9. , Ivy VLBROOKS - Birth/Chris: ... 1888 at ...
10. BROOKS, Frederick G - Birth/Chris: ... 1890 at ...

[Leoni]

Hi again :-)
Is it possible to check whether the Brooks family mentioned in the 1891 census was listed anywhere in England in the 1901 and 1911 census? If there's listings of them later on, was there perhaps any additions to the family? A sister maybe born in 1895?

1891 census, reference RG12, Piece 557, Folio 20, Page 34
Lamberts Cottages, Mays Corner, Send, Surrey

Brooks, William  Head  M  30  Gardener Jobbing  b Send
Brooks, Anna  Wife  F  31  b Send
Brooks, Henrietta  Daughter  F  6  b Send
Brooks, Elizabeth  Daughter  F  3 b Send
Brooks, Edwin  Son  M  1  b Send[/size][/i]

Here's a follow up on Edwin & Violet Brooks's investigation about their daugther I collected the 1951 death notice at our archives library, turned out it's not the same person but instead I found information that triggered the 1901 and 1911 census request.

Mrs. Harter, born Brooks-Benning was born 2 April 1895, 5 years after my grandfather. She died 20 January 1951. Sadly the "parents of deceased" section on the death notice only says "deceased", no names/information supplied (very frustrating). The death notice says she was age 58 when she passed away, but if you do the math, she was actually 56, not 58.

Leoni

[KGarrad]

We can't give you any details fgrom 1911 - copyright & legal issues!

1901 census: Class: RG13; Piece: 600; Folio: 9; Page: 10
Cart Bridge, Send & Ripley, Surrey

Brooks, Hannah  Head  Widow  F  40  Laundress  b Send
Brooks, Edwin  Son  M  11  b Send
Brooks, George  Son  M  9  b Send
Brooks, Emily K  Daughter  F  7  b Send

[avm228]

Mrs. Harter, born Brooks-Benning was born 2 April 1895, 5 years after my grandfather. She died 20 January 1951. Sadly the "parents of deceased" section on the death notice only says "deceased", no names/information supplied (very frustrating). The death notice says she was age 58 when she passed away, but if you do the math, she was actually 56, not 58.

Does the document give any indication as to where she was born?

[KGarrad]

Henrietta was a servant in 1901:
Class: RG13; Piece: 486; Folio: 114; Page: 14
9 Patten Road, Wandsworth, Surrey

Foster, William  Head  Widow  M  75  Living on Own Means  b Ockley, Surrey
Brooks, Henrietta  Servant  F  18  General Servant, Domestic  b Woking, Surrey

(Send is practically in Woking!)


Elizabeth is also a servant:
Class: RG13; Piece: 602; Folio: 44; Page: 19
Nightingale Road, Stoke-next-Guildford, Surrey

Harding, William  Head  M  60  Farm Steward  b Horsham, Sussex
Brooks, Elizabeth  Servant  F  13  General Servant, Domestic  b Send, Surrey

[Leoni]

Thank you for the information below.

yes, place of origin says Cape Province (in South Africa) - But this estate file has a few inconsistencies starting from the Will to the Antenuptial Contract drawn up 1 year before her death. (dates / surnames etc.) Her surviving husband, Mr. Harter, completed the hand written death notice I have, and some of his info doesn't correspond with info on the will / antenuptial contract etc. Too much detail to mention but for one, he wrote her incorrect age on the death notice which is weird. Her birth date is only specified on the antenuptial contract, nowhere else, not even on the death notice, and the hand written death notice is the only document that specifies place of origin.

That's why I'm querying the 1901 census. Maybe Winifred was actually born in England, linking her to my grandfather, Edwin, perhaps. If so, then it is possible that the 1891 Brooks family could be my ancestors.

If there's no sister, Winifred, born in 1895 in England with a brother Edwin Brooks born in 1890 (my grandfather), then Winifred Harter whom I have the death notice of, is of no relation to me, then her being born Brooks-Benning is pure coincidence.

There's also the possibility that my grandfather's parents immigrated to S.A. shortly after he was born. Narrowing down my immigrants list from 1890-1895. And then the Brooks family mentioned in the 1891 census won't be my ancestors because Edwin and Violet was still in England in 1921 when their daughter was born.

Many questions / speculations in my head. I'm trying to work on every possibility to try and find information about my grandfather :-)

[avm228]

Hi Leoni. You haven't said what the surname inconsistencies are regarding Winifred, but from the docuemnts you have is there any possibility that she was in fact Edwin's first wife, and that her maiden name was something else?

Am I right in understanding that the antenuptial contract was only drawn up a year before her death? This would suggest she was only married a year or less to Raoul in her fifties.  Plenty of time to have had one or more marriages before.

Since she is the only person of Edwin's generation found anywhere with the very rare Brooks-Benning name combination, and shares a South African connection, I wouldn't discard her from the picture just yet.