Help with John Dutton PHILIPS/PHILLIPS c.1836

[JayBeePee]

Hey!

Does anybody have any information about the family line of John Dutton Philips/Phillips b. c. 1836, Worcestershire?

The bits of information I have are:

- census records from 1841 placing him in Great Witley with parents John and Sarah and siblings Hannah, Edward, and Mary

- a marriage at St Thomas church, Dudley, 1858, to Ruth Darwin Rowley, at which time his father John is listed as deceased, but a Thomas Philips is a witness

- census records from 1881 placing him in Dudley with wife Ruth and children Annie, Mary, Edgar, Ruth, Richard, and Ralph, and listing his occupation as a chemist

I am having trouble tracing the lines of his father, John Philips (c. 1791, Worcestershire, variously agricultural labourer, labourer, and gardener) and his mother Sarah  (c. 1804, Pershore, Worcestershire). By 1851 Sarah is living as the wife of Thomas Phillips (c. 1808, Berrow, Worcestershire) in Much Marcle, Herefordshire.

Of course there are a few Philips/Phillips families in Worcestershire at the time, but any information on John and Sarah would be excellent. As a side-note, though, I wonder who this Thomas Phillips is? I sense a scandal! :-)

Thanks very much for any help you can provide!

Jason Phillips
Australia

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[Manchester Rambler]

The FamilySearch site http://search.labs.familysearch.org has a baptism for John which doesn't quite match your info:

John Dutton PHILLIPS, son of John PHILLIPS and Mary, baptised 18 Oct 1835, St Thomas, Dudley.

Based on the baptismal record, I see another possibility for John in 1841:

1841
HO107/1196/ 30/3 - (?)Lolly Colliery Inn, Woodside, Dudley, Worcs
Mary PHILLIPS  40  Publican
Thos. PHILLIPS  8
John PHILLIPS  5
(All born Worcestershire.)

1851
HO107/2033/69/28 - Woodside, Dudley, Worcs
Thomas PHILLIPS  Head  18  Colliery Clerk
John D PHILLIPS  Brother  15  Druggist
Abraham PHILLIPS  Brother  13  Scholar
Elizabeth CHAMBERS  Servant  20
(All born Woodside.)

1861
RG9/2058/32/21 - 2 Holly Hale, Dudley, Worcs
John D PHILLIPS  Head  26  Brick Line []  Woodside
Ruth PHILLIPS  Wife  28  Low Moor, Yorks
Anne T PHILLIPS  Dau  1  Dudley
Martha JOHNSON  Servant  19  Domestic Servant  Pensnett, Staffs

1871
RG10/3013/79/26 - 34 Holly Hale, Dudley, Worcs
John D PHILLIPS  Head  35  Chemist
Ruth D PHILLIPS  Wife  38  Low Moor, Yorks
Anne Theresa PHILLIPS  Dau  11
Mary Kathleen PHILLIPS  Dau  9
Edgar PHILLIPS  Son  8
Ruth B PHILLIPS  Dau  6
Richard B PHILLIPS  Son  4
Ralph G PHILLIPS  Son  2
Martha REYNOLDS  Servant  19  General Servant
Mary Ann CHAMBERS  Servant  18  General Servant
(All except Ruth D born Dudley.)

What do you think?

Rambler

[JayBeePee]

Hey!

Oh, Rambler, that fits perfectly! You're brilliant! Thank you!

It keeps the double-el spelling of their name constant. It makes Thomas his older brother and a perfect substitute for his deceased father John at the wedding to Ruth. His occupation is constant through the censuses. And his mother runs a pub. Lovely!

It also lets this mystery "Sarah" off the hook in relation to double-dipping from the same gene pool... :-)

So now I go looking for marriage records for John Phillips and Mary in Worcestershire c1835, and perhaps even a death certificate for John.

Thanks again for such stellar work!

Jason

[Dave Jones]

London Gazette 9th June 1876 shows dissolution of partnership between Thomas Phillips and John Dutton Phillips trading under name Martin and Phillips, as Coal, Coke and Mineral Merchants and Brick Manufactures at Park Head and Holly Hall, near Dudley, Worcestershire. Business continued by Thomas Phillips  alone.

London Gazette of 26th February 1878 shows bankruptcy of John Dutton Phillips, of Attercliffe House, Holly Hall, Dudley, formerly a Coke and Mineral Merchant, but now employed as a Merchants Clerk and General Agent.

[JayBeePee]

Hey!

Thank you Dave. That's very interesting and fits it nicely. Do you regularly use the London Gazette as a research source? It seems to my untrained self to be a random nugget of info to come to light...

Jason

[Dave Jones]

I always find it worth checking out if looking to find out about people in business, not much good on miners, agricultural workers etc. It quite often gives addresses which can be useful for tracking down elusive ancestors.

Also it is good for finding details of deaths of people in 20th century if they are likely to have left money.

Another snippet that may help you:

Worcester Journal 5th July 1856
Deaths
Lately, at the house of his father-in-law, Mr William Cartwight, Woodside, near Dudley, aged 19, Mr Abraham Dutton Phillips.

[JayBeePee]

Hey!

Dave, another gem! But how sad...

It seems that my Phillipses where around Dudley and certainly in Worcester for some time. Would you mind sharing your list of top tips for helping find other C19th and C18th ancestors from that region?

Thanks very much, mate!

Jason