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Re: BAYRAM.
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 19 February 11 12:34 GMT (UK) »
Now to move back, efore WIlly D married Dinah.
Here he is in 1891:

RG10 3416 63 12
Irby

Ann Drewry 76 widow farmer 43 acres bn Irby
Delphy dtr 36 unm Dressmaker bn MattonRoss?
Betsy 25 grandaughter unm Dairymaid bn Irby
John Tomlinson  22 farm servant
William Bayram 14 grandson bn Riby

Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: BAYRAM.
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 19 February 11 12:48 GMT (UK) »
1861
RG9 2390 78 13
Waltham, Lincs

John 29 Foreman Ag lab bn Great Coates
Martha 29 bn Irby
Willie 4 bn Riby
George 2 bn Irby
+ 2 farm servants

Marriage
Ap/May/JUn 1856
Caistor 7a 1117
John Bayram / Martha Drewry on same page

Have you got his cert to confirm John's Dad?

Here is WIllley's birth reg -

Ap/May/JUn 1857
Caistor ref 7c 373
William Drury Balim

Have you got his birth cert?
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: BAYRAM.
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 19 February 11 12:58 GMT (UK) »
Ok, now to investigate John and MArtha further.

In 1871 we know our Willey is at his maternal grandparents farm.

Here is his brother George (we saw as 2 in 1861) and his Dad, who as you say appears to have a second wife
and has produced lots of siblings for WIlliam and George

1871
RG10 3417 48 7
Immingham
John 38 Farmer foreman bn Great Coates
Matilda 33 bn Goxhill
George 11 bn Irby
Drewry 9 bn Waltham
John 7 bn Immington
Elizabeth 6 bn Immington
AnneyG 5mths bn Immington
+ 3 farm servants

Marriage
Jul/Aug/Sep1870
Caistor 7a 779
John Bayram / Matilda Porter

Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: BAYRAM.
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 19 February 11 13:05 GMT (UK) »
Thereis a death in Jul/Aug/Sep 1861 of MArtha Bayram.
This is the same quarter as the birth is registered of Drewery Bayram (age 9 in 1871)
Looks like she dies in childbirth or soon after.

That does pose the question of the mother of all the children born afterMarta's death and before his marriage to MAtilda in 1870.
I think you are right, there was another marriage between the two
Jan /FEb/Mar 1863
Caistor 7a 788
John Bayram, but only one bride and two grooms are listed, so it may be to the one bride Mary Ann Vulture, or it may be to the missing bride!
Whoever she was she died approx 1866- 1870

There are deaths of :
Ann BAyram age 31 in 1870 and Elizabeth Bayram age 28 in 1867, so one of these might be the missing bride. You could get the marriage cert to confirm.


Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: BAYRAM.
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 19 February 11 13:13 GMT (UK) »
1881
RG11 3275 10 34
Immingham
John 48 Farm bailiff bn Great Coates
Matilda 43 bn Goxhill
Annie E 10
matilda M 9
Harriett 7
Charles 5 all children bn Immingham
+ farm servants

and 1891, by now John has died and Matilda moved back to Goxhill
RG12 2630 114 7
Goxhill
Matilda 57 widow farmer bn Goxhill
Charles 15 son
Martha 18 dtr   both bn Immingham

Death
Jan/Feb/Mar 1884
Glanford Brigg
7a 439
John Bayram age 51
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: BAYRAM.
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 19 February 11 13:24 GMT (UK) »
Moving back with jOHN

1851
HO107 2113 396 15
Irby

Large farm, 400 acres, headed by John Hewson and family, lots of farm servants including -

John Baram 18 farm servant bn Great Coates
George Baram 20 farm servant bn Great Coates

I think have seen George in later censuses too, I wonder if he is John's brother?
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: BAYRAM.
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 19 February 11 13:32 GMT (UK) »
1841
Ho107 631 2
Great Coates
John 30 Ag lab N
Mary 30 Y
George 9 Y
John 8 Y
Charles 7 Y
Harriett 5 Y
William 3 Y
Jospeh 1 Y
Isaac 1mth Y

So, as you say, John was not bn Lincolnshire.
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: BAYRAM.
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 19 February 11 13:37 GMT (UK) »
Moving forward with this family , 1851 gives us a clue to John's birthplace

1851
HO107 2113 469 9
Great Coates
John 45 Ag lab bn Yorkshire Upton
Mary 46 bn Lincs Stallyborough
Harriett 15
Joseph 11
Isaac 9
Thomas 7
Margaret 5
Jane 3 all children bn Great Coates

1861 is consistant for his pob
RG9 2391 51 3
Great Coates
John 56 ag lab bn Upton Yorkshire
Mary 57 bn Stallingborough Lincs
Margaret 15 bn Great Coates
Jane 13 bn GC


Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: BAYRAM.
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 19 February 11 13:41 GMT (UK) »
1871 he does say Pontefract (as you have, I am getting the feeling you have most of what Iam finding already!)

RG10 3416 92 7
Great C
John 65 ag lab bn Pontefract
Mary 66 bn Stallnigborough
Thomas 28 bn GC
Jane 23 bn GC

and 1881
RG11 3275 54 7
Now a widower, age 76 pob Pontefract

Death
Oct/NOv/Dec 1887
Caisotr
John Bayram age 81
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk