Thomas WALTON

[jim1]

I can see Robert being a forge manager as on previous censuses he's variously described as steam engine maker,fitter & engineer.Forges were steam driven up to the invention of the electric motor that was big enough to drive one.It would be a natural progression for someone with his skill & knowledge.

jim

[Jimvin]

Unfortunately, I now have in front of me and it is the father of Thomas Walton (his name is William Walton) who is the forge manager. Elizabeth Moreton's father is Joseph Moreton and was a labourer. The witnesses seem to be William Russell and Hannah Moreton.

[jim1]

what you have is the wrong marriage or the wrong census family.
I think this is them in 1851
HO107/2026/198/2
Jos.Moreton is listed as a labourer,there is also an Elizabeth age 11 & a Hannah aged 19
1871 has Hannah single living with married sister Sarah.
It looks like all the Thomas Waltons born around that time will have to be researched from cradle to the grave.
just to recap,you have the marr. cert. for Thomas Walton/stocktaker(Fa.William/forge manager) = Elizabeth Moreton(fa.Joseph/labourer)
Your Thomas Walton(Prof. of music) married Elizabeth Morton(fa.Robert/engine fitter)
Found this marriage:
Sept.1869/ Pontypool/11a/194/Thomas Walton=Elizabeth Morton(no "e")
In 1871 Robert & Phoebe Morton are living in Pontypool 
If that's not them I'll buy a round of drinks.
So you have Elizabeth Morton from 1841(listed as Merton) up to 1861.
Robert & Phoebe up to 1881(with Thomas & Eliz.)
There are too many Thomas Waltons about to say who he belongs to so it looks like another cert. required.
jim

[Jimvin]

jim1
I think you've got it...
Another marriage certificate I think is required but if that clears it up I will be delighted, thanks

[jim1]

searched all The Thomas' from 1841 & Thomas the stocktaker is the son of William & Margaret it appears.
Wouldn't it be odd if Thomas married Elizabeth Moreton in 1867,she died & he married Elizabeth Morton in 1869.
Let us know how you get on.

jim

[Jimvin]

Now I have the certificate here it is....
The 1869 Pontypool marriage is Thomas Walton married Elizabeth Morton in the presence of Robert Morton. Robert Morton is the father and was an engineer. The father of Thomas was William Walton (Forge Manager) deceased. Thomas Walton at time of marriage had been living at Toll End Tipton.
Bizarre-ly... the 1867 which is a much younger (but different) Thomas Walton had a father who was called William Walton and was a forge manager.

[carol8353]

Robert Morton is the father

Sorry not with you?

Are you saying that Elizabeth was a widow and her father's name was Robert Morton?

Surely there is more than one witness?

How old are they both?

Carol

[Jimvin]

Elizabeth's father is Robert Morton. The other witness I think is another Morton, handwriting is very bad... could be Alice Morton?

[Jimvin]

They are 32 and 29 (Thomas and Elizabeth respectively)