Cassels and Possible link to Kennedys

[hdw]

Also match with someone whose ancestor is James Orr Kennedy b abt 1863 Co Down, father John Orr Kennedy, m Elizabeth Frame 1893 Comber Co. Down. They have common matches with myself and other Cassells matches

Orrs, Kennedys and Frames in the Comber area are mentioned in the Orr MSS in the Linen Hall Library in Belfast, also available as a privately-printed book, Ray A. Jones "Ulster Pedigrees: Descendants, in Many Lines, of James Orr and Janet McClement who emigrated from Scotland to Northern Ireland ca 1607". Have you seen it? It doesn't go up as far as the 1890s, but in the mid-1700s there is a marriage between James Kennedy of Comber and Janet Orr, daughter of William Orr of Ballygowan and his wife Jane Walker. There were Frames around the same area.
Harry

[Sunnyhill]

It looks like this is the Gilbert Kennedy b 1603, a minister, said to be father of Hugh Cassilis:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Kennedy-12008


This link does not work for me. Which parish does it say Gilbert Kennedy was minister of? There are published biographies of all the Church of Scotland ministers which could be checked if the parish is known.

It doesn't seem to say. Will copy the contents of the page.


Gilbert Kennedy (1603 - aft. 1632)
Rev. Gilbert Kennedy
Born 1603 in Cassilus House, Maybold, Ayrshire, Scotlandmap
Ancestors
Son of Hew Kennedy and Katherine (MacDowall) Kennedy
Brother of John (Kennedy) Kennedy Sixth Earl of Cassilis   
Husband of Marion (Unknown) Kennedy — married before 1630 in Scotland

Descendants
Father of Gilbert Kennedy II and Agnes (Kennedy) McCullough   
Died after 1632 after age 29 in Scotland

Gilbert Kennedy was born in Cassilis House, Maybole, Ayrshire, Scotland, about 1603. He was a son of Hew Kennedy, Master of Cassilis and Katherrine McDowall. Hew Cassilis passed away in 1607. Gilbert was the younger (and only) brother of John Kennedy, 6th Earl of Cassillis, Ayrshire, Scotland.

Gilbert Kennedy matriculated at the Archbishop's Academy of Glasgow [University of Glasgow], Scotland, in 1617, when he was between 12 and 17 years old. On graduation, he became a Scots Presbyterian (Covenanter) minister.[1]

The last mention of Gilbert Kennedy found in records was in 1632.[2]
Sources

    ↑ http://www.kennedydna.com/Colonel_Gilbert_Kennedy_of_Ardmillan.htm
    ↑ The Scots Peerage; Balfour Paul; Vol. 2; pages 474-475

    http://www.celticradio.net/php/forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=102052

    http://www.kennedydna.com/Colonel_Gilbert_Kennedy_of_Ardmillan.htm

DNA
No known carriers of Gilbert's DNA have taken a DNA test.



Kennedy-15267 and Kennedy-12008 appear to represent the same person because: They represent the same person with matching names, parents, birth & death dates. Please merge. If you know more about his wife or children, please contact me. Thanks.

[Sunnyhill]

Also match with someone whose ancestor is James Orr Kennedy b abt 1863 Co Down, father John Orr Kennedy, m Elizabeth Frame 1893 Comber Co. Down. They have common matches with myself and other Cassells matches

Orrs, Kennedys and Frames in the Comber area are mentioned in the Orr MSS in the Linen Hall Library in Belfast, also available as a privately-printed book, Ray A. Jones "Ulster Pedigrees: Descendants, in Many Lines, of James Orr and Janet McClement who emigrated from Scotland to Northern Ireland ca 1607". Have you seen it? It doesn't go up as far as the 1890s, but in the mid-1700s there is a marriage between James Kennedy of Comber and Janet Orr, daughter of William Orr of Ballygowan and his wife Jane Walker. There were Frames around the same area.
Harry

Hadn't heard of that. Could be a good lead thanks.
David

[Forfarian]

You can search Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae by minister's name without knowing the parish at https://www.ecclegen.com/general-index-introduction/

However no Gilbert Kennedy b 1603 is listed.

The screenshot is the information from Wikitree. Not sure I'd regard any of the sources cited as 100% reliable, though the Kennedy DNA web site looks very well researched. It should be possible to verify the information about his attendance at the University of Glasgow.

[Sunnyhill]

You can search Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae by minister's name without knowing the parish at https://www.ecclegen.com/general-index-introduction/

However no Gilbert Kennedy b 1603 is listed.

The screenshot is the information from Wikitree. Not sure I'd regard any of the sources cited as 100% reliable. It should be possible to verify the information about his attendance at the University of Glasgow.

https://www.ecclegen.com/general-index-introduction/  is only for ministers from 1843 - 1900?

He would have been only 14 when he graduated from university in 1817 if b 1603!

[Forfarian]

https://www.ecclegen.com/general-index-introduction/  is only for ministers from 1843 - 1900?

No.

It started out including only the ministers of the Free Kirk, which was founded in 1843, but has since been extended to include ministers listed in Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae.

The screenshot includes Kennedy references from as early as 1572, not including Gilbert K b 1603. Nor is there any reference to him as Gilbert Cassells.

[Forfarian]

That Wikipedia article says that Gilbert Kennedy became a Covenanting minister on graduation, and that there is no record of him after 1632.

The National Covenant was drawn up and signed in 1638, therefore GK could not have been on record as a covenanting minister if he disappears from the records in 1632, six years before the National Covenant.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenanters

[Forfarian]

It seems that not all ministers in Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae are in https://www.ecclegen.com/

See screenshots for bios of brothers Revs Gilbert and Thomas Kennedy - if it's the right one.

Interesting to see that no father is named. It would be worth checking the Glasgow University records to see who their father was.

Noting that the Kennedy DNA web site suggests that Gilbert K, only brother of the 6th Earl of Cassilis, was a colonel in the army, I wonder if somewhere along the line there has been confusion of two different GKs, one of whom matriculated in 1617 but did not become a minister and the other of whom graduated in 1647 and did become a minister?

[Sunnyhill]

Was a brother Thomas mentioned before? Thought there was only John? If he was 61 when he died he would have been born 1627 so a bit after the previous year given as 1603.