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Arthur George Wilkins or Skelton b 1897
« on: Friday 04 March 11 07:16 GMT (UK) »
I am attempting to trace the history of my grandfather (I live in the US).  His name was Arthur George Wilkins, (I believe he was born in 1896, although I found the following records associated with his mother Lucy, who was shown on the 1901 census being married to George Skelton, possibly the father of Arthur.   If anyone out there is willing to take on a challenge, and help my trace the history of arthur Wilkins I would appreciate it.(see below)



Next: (Lucy marries James Wilkins, and has three children, Ethel, David, and Amy, living near London?  Odd how each child seems to be born at a different location every 2 years.   I cannot find any additional history on James, other than I have some old notes of daughter Amy that  James was in the Irish guard.  Not sure what happened to James.  Does anyone know how to trace the Irish Guard listed men?)
1891 RG12 Piece:402 Folio:49 Page:54    
37, Conroy Street, Lambeth
WILKINS, James D Head Married M 33 1858 Painter Wilton Wiltshire
WILKINS, Lucy G Wife Married F 28 1863 Laundress Rochford Essex
WILKINS, Ethel M Daughter F 6 1885 Aldershot Hampshire
WILKINS, David John Son M 4 1887 Pimlico London
WILKINS, Amy E S Daughter F 2 1889 Westminster London

Next:  this is where it gets most interesting.  For whatever reason, Lucy leaves James and moves to Grimsby.  The notes from Amy says she was a housekeeper with a man named "Barker".  I can't find any listing of a Barker.  Any help here is much appreciated.)

Next:  this is the first listing in the census of my grandfather w/ Lucy, but with a man named "Skelton".  Any help finding a birth certificate for Arthur to confirm father would be much appreciated.
1901 RG13 Piece:3091 Folio:186 Page:36    
SKELTON, Geo Head Married M 38 1863 Fisherman Aldford Lincolnshire
SKELTON, Lucy Wife Married F 38 1863 Rochford Essex
WILKINS, Ethel M Step Daughter Single F 16 1885 Waitress Aldershot Hampshire SKELTON, Sarah A Daughter F 15 1886 Grimsby Lincolnshire
WILKINS, David J Step Son M 14 1887 Nipper Lad Railway Westminster
WILKINS, Amy E S Step Daughter F 12 1889 Westminster London
SKELTON, Arthur G Son M 4 1897 Grimsby Lincolnshire

Next: The 1911 census shows Lucy married to Hazelgrove, w/ Arthur, and daughter Phyllis.    I would appreciate any help locating a birth certificate for Phyllis to confirm father.  Also, Arthur last name is listed as Wilkins.  Although notes from Lucy's daughter shows that Barker was possibly Arthur's father, maybe it was more likely Skelton?  So I guess the only way would to rely on a birth certificate?  Can anyone think of any other way to confirm the father of Arthur?)
1911 35 Addison Road Fleetwood
HAZELGROVE, Stephen Head Married M 61 1850 Cooper Dock Lincolnshire Gt Grimsby HAZELGROVE, Lucy Wife F 49 1862 Rochford Essex
WILKINS, Arthur Stepson M 14 1897 Assistant Cooper Dock St Grimsby Lincolnshire
WILKINS, Phyllis Daughter F 4 1907 Fleetwood Lancashire

Next:
(I did a search on Hazelgrove, and found him listed in the 1901 census with Eliza. Any confirmation of marriage, and/death of Eliza appreciated.)
1901c census
HAZELGROVE Stephen 1849 Grimsby Occ. Cooper
Eliza wife born 1837 Louth Lincoln living at 122 Hamilton St., Clee, Grimsby

Next:  Lucy marries Hazelbrove in 1912, although census lists them as married in 1911.  I also find this odd since daughter Phyllis was born in 1906.
FreeBMD there’s only this marriage 1912 Fylde for
Stepehen G Hazelgrove to Lucy WILKINS .  

Next:  this may explain why Lucy did not marry Hazelgrove until 1912, since Skelton was listed at a residence (w/out Lucy) in 1911.
this may explain why Lucy didn’t marry Stephen until 1912 George alive in 1911

1911census
SKELTON,[/b] George Boarder Widower M 47 1864 Fisherman Alford Lincolnshire
living with Hales family at 125 Rutland St Grimsby ???


Next: No idea where to go with this information, but George Skelton is listed in 1881 census married to Sarah Ann Todd :-\
1881c George  born 1865 Farm Servant (Indoor) Alford Lincolnshire, he’s single. Possible marriage  Mar qtr 1886 Caistor 7a 806 George Skelton names on same page
Sarah Ann TODD/Anselm Rnealson Parker
George has a dau. on 1891 named Sarah Ann born 1885 Grimsby
"Curious what my have happened to Sarah Ann Todd and her daughter.


any help with this is very much appreciated!

thanks :)

Rob





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Re: Arthur George Wilkins or Skelton b 1897
« Reply #1 on: Friday 04 March 11 07:30 GMT (UK) »
Hi Rwenman,

FreeBMD has this birth - any use?
Arthur George Skelton
Sep 1896 Caistor 7a 626
(Caistor district covered Great Grimsby until 1897)

 "My dear, I think the English pronounce it 'appiness"  

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Re: Arthur George Wilkins or Skelton b 1897
« Reply #2 on: Friday 04 March 11 07:48 GMT (UK) »
Looking at the Hazelgroves on www.freebmd.org.uk

The one death I can see on FreeBMD:
Eliza Hazelgrove age 75
Mar 1912 Grimsby 7a 841
Another possible reason why Stephen and Lucy didn't marry until 1912 ...

Stephen and Eliza were married in 1870:

Marriage Jun 1870 Louth 7a 1249
Stephen George Hazelgrove - Eliza Mitchell

Matches this 1871 census:

1871
RG10/3414 109 12
Grimsby, Lincolnshire
29 Cobden

Stephen Hazelgrove, head, 21, Cooper, b. Lincs Gt Grimsby
Eliza, wife, 34, b. Louth
Ann Mitchell, dau, 14, servant, b. do.
John Mitchell, son, 13, school, b. do.

A quick 1861 census check shows that Eliza was previously married to a John Michell, that her maiden name was apparently Vickers. (Seems she was actually born ca. 1831)
 "My dear, I think the English pronounce it 'appiness"  

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Re: Arthur George Wilkins or Skelton b 1897
« Reply #3 on: Friday 04 March 11 15:00 GMT (UK) »
Thanks,

with the help of this site, I am pulling this together.  I also appreciate the reference to the web sites for my on-going research.

Rob


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Re: Arthur George Wilkins or Skelton b 1897
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 05 March 11 08:39 GMT (UK) »
More on HAZELGROVE:

I found this notice of death on Eliza

1911
Eliza Hazelgrove age 75
Mar 1912 Grimsby 7a 841
Another possible reason why Stephen Hazelgrove (who was married to Eliza) and Lucy didn't marry until 1912 .

1870 marriage Louth for
Stephen George HAZELGROVE to Eliza Mitchell, looks as if wife Eliza married  before as on 1871 she’s age 34 with Stephen age 21, dau Ann 15, son John Mitchell 13



More on SKELTON
1881c George Skelton,  born 1865 Farm Servant (Indoor) Alford Lincolnshire, he’s single.
Possible marriage  Mar qtr 1886 Caistor 7a 806 George Skelton names on same page
Sarah Ann TODD/Anselm Rnealson Parker
George has a dau. on 1891 named Sarah Ann born 1885 Grimsby

1901 RG13 Piece:3091 Folio:186 Page:36    
SKELTON, Geo Head Married M 38 1863 Fisherman Aldford Lincolnshire
SKELTON, Lucy Wife Married F 38 1863 Rochford Essex
WILKINS, Ethel M Step Daughter Single F 16 1885 Waitress Aldershot Hampshire SKELTON,
Sarah A Daughter F 15 1886 or 1885 (mother: Sarah Ann Todd?) Grimsby Lincolnshire 
WILKINS, David J Step Son M 14 1887 Nipper Lad Railway Westminster
WILKINS, Amy E S Step Daughter F 12 1889 Westminster London
SKELTON, Arthur G Son M 4 1897 Grimsby Lincolnshire

Not sure what happened to Skelton? He does show up in the 1911 census:
1911c
SKELTON, George Boarder Widower M 47 1864 Fisherman Alford Lincolnshire
living with Hales family at 125 Rutland St Grimsby

After this not sure what happened to him, and what happened to his wife Sarah Ann Todd (mother of Sarah shown in 1901 census:
1901 RG13 Piece:3091 Folio:186 Page:36    
SKELTON, Geo Head Married M 38 1863 Fisherman Aldford Lincolnshire
SKELTON, Lucy Wife Married F 38 1863 Rochford Essex
WILKINS, Ethel M Step Daughter Single F 16 1885 Waitress Aldershot Hampshire SKELTON,
Sarah A Daughter F 15 1886 or 1885 (mother: Sarah Ann Todd?) Grimsby Lincolnshire 
WILKINS, David J Step Son M 14 1887 Nipper Lad Railway Westminster
WILKINS, Amy E S Step Daughter F 12 1889 Westminster London
SKELTON, Arthur G Son M 4 1897 Grimsby Lincolnshire


James Wilkins:

Lucy marries James Wilkins in 1883
1883 marriage entry Sep qtr. Woolwich vol. 1d page 1660
Lucy Ellen RILEY name on same page James WILKINS

they show up in 1891 census:
1891 RG12 Piece:402 Folio:49 Page:54    
37, Conroy Street, Lambeth
WILKINS, James D Head Married M 33 1858 Painter Wilton Wiltshire
WILKINS, Lucy G? ('E') Wife Married F 28 1863 Laundress Rochford Essex
WILKINS, Ethel M Daughter F 6 1885 Aldershot Hampshire
WILKINS, David John Son M 4 1887 Pimlico London
WILKINS, Amy E S Daughter F 2 1889 Westminster London

Not sure what happened to James Wilkins?  ??? It seems odd that each child was shown with a different location, but likely they were renters who moved a bit.  I would appreciate help finding a death certificate or military registration, other on James Wilkins?

thanks on helping me solve this mystery. :)

Rob



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Re: Arthur George Wilkins or Skelton b 1897
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 05 March 11 09:22 GMT (UK) »
looks as if wife Eliza married  before as on 1871 she’s age 34 with Stephen age 21, dau Ann 15, son John Mitchell 13
I mentioned Eliza's previous mhubby and maiden name earlier.

I'm afraid we don't really know enough about Sarah Ann Todd to tell what happened to her. You'd have to get hold of George Skelton's marriage cert to find out more about her, to decide for instance if this could be her death: Sarah Ann Skelton age 21 - Jun 1889 - Caistor 7a 367

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Re: Arthur George Wilkins or Skelton b 1897
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 05 March 11 15:47 GMT (UK) »

1883 marriage entry
Sep qtr. Woolwich vol. 1d page 1660
Lucy Ellen RILEY
name on same page
James WILKINS

1891 RG12 Piece:402 Folio:49 Page:54    
37, Conroy Street, Lambeth
WILKINS, James D Head Married M 33 1858 Painter Wilton Wiltshire
WILKINS, Lucy G? ('E') Wife Married F 28 1863 Laundress Rochford Essex
WILKINS, Ethel M Daughter F 6 1885 Aldershot Hampshire
WILKINS, David John Son M 4 1887 Pimlico London
WILKINS, Amy E S Daughter F 2 1889 Westminster London


This looks to be James’ birth entry FreeBMD

James David Wilkins Wilton Mar qtr. 1857

And possibly with his parents on 1871 census

David James Wilkins
11/11/1835 St. Thomas Portsmouth
father James mother Elizabeth


1871
Vauxhall Bridge Rd, St John The Evangelist, Westminster
WILKINS, David James Head 1836 Portsmouth Hampshire Steward Royal Navy
WILKINS, Sarah Wife  1833 Wiltshire
WILKINS, James D Son 1857 Wiltshire
WILKINS, Mary Ann Dau 12 1859 Westminster Middlesex
WILKINS, David Son M 3 1868 Middlesex

1881 102, Vauxhall B Rd, St Margaret & St John The Evangelist Westminster
WILKINS, Sarah Head Widow F 45 1836 Ironer Salisbury Wiltshire
WILKINS, David Son Single M 13 1868 Newspaper Boy London Middlesex
WILKINS, Walter Son Single M 9 1872 ScholarLondon Middlesex
Plus two lodgers

1891 102, Vauxhall Bridge Road, Westminster
WILKINS, Sarah Head Widow F 58 1833 House HolderWiltshire
WILKINS, Walter Son Single M 20 1871 Waiter Westminster Middlesex

Looks as if James & Lucy had two other children from IGI familysearch beta

Walter Frederick Wilkins

17/11/1887 Surrey
father James David Wilkins
mother Lucy Ellen

Winifred Daisy Wilkins
18/09/1891 All Saints Lambeth
father James David Wilkins
mother Lucy Ellen

FreeBMD
Death Dec. qtr. 1891 Lambeth
Winifred Daisy Wilkins age 0


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Re: Arthur George Wilkins or Skelton b 1897
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 06 March 11 04:02 GMT (UK) »
 ;Dfantastic, give me a while to take all this in.

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Re: Arthur George Wilkins or Skelton b 1897
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 08 March 11 16:13 GMT (UK) »
deleted info. as added twice  ::)
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