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Re: Hitchin & Southill lookups please
« Reply #18 on: Monday 21 March 11 08:50 GMT (UK) »
She's not the Mary Inskip b 1742 daughter of William & Mary; and sister of Edward 1743, whose son John 1775 had son Robert 1818 who married Elizabeth Partridge at Sharnbrook in 1840 ....... my family got around...

* mod later - true she's not - just reread will of William Inskip died 1776, daughter Mary was wife of Henry Dobson of Huntingdon......
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Bishop - Bedford; Hunts, Hemingford Grey
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Re: Hitchin & Southill lookups please
« Reply #19 on: Monday 21 March 11 10:10 GMT (UK) »
She's the only Mary Inskip I can find in Old Warden, but I'm not sure what happened to them after they married - perhaps they went to Pirton.

I think what I'm hinting at is: is this the Thomas baptised in 1747 in Warwicks? It would get over the twin problems of his age on marriage, and why he went back to Warwicks to marry ie the Thomas who married Sarah Warren wasn't the son of Thomas. The one in  Warwicks' parish of settlement was Warwick St Mary, which doesn't really tie up with the Thomas from Meppershall. I'm persuading myself that Thomas in Southill wasn't the son of Thomas of Meppershall!

Warwick St Mary parish register for that period isn't on the IGI or BVRI. That's where I'd be tempted to start looking for a baptism of Thomas c1740

David
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
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Re: Hitchin & Southill lookups please
« Reply #20 on: Monday 21 March 11 18:31 GMT (UK) »
Thanks John. Thought that's what it would say!

And having blown a ruddy great hole in the PR tree I now wonder if the research on the rest of the tree is of a similar standard

David
Thank you for finding this John & David, i have had my doubts about these  PR files for some time now which is why i asked for help. I've found an email address for the Hollie Clare Bevan tree and asked if they can provide further info so i'll wait and see what that produces, if anything. As you say i should maybe ask on the Warwickshire board and be careful not to upset anyone else by duplicating this enquiry.

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Re: Hitchin & Southill lookups please
« Reply #21 on: Monday 21 March 11 20:59 GMT (UK) »
John, I think that's your Mary Inskip who married Thomas Fulwood of Luton in Old Warden. They appear to have had a number of children in Pirton, Herts, and their son Thomas seems to have married in Wimbledon in 1806. He was non-conformist and all of his children were baptised en masse as adults in Watford in 1834, including Mary Inskip Fulwood.

Big question of course must be is it Thomas Fulwood son of Thomas and Charlotte baptised 1747 in Warwicks? I think it possibly might be. I can't find out what happened to him though - was he buried in Pirton where the NBI doesn't start until 1800?

David
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
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            Graveley: Ford/Revell


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Re: Hitchin & Southill lookups please
« Reply #22 on: Monday 21 March 11 21:11 GMT (UK) »
my friend Mr Google found me this . . . . . . .

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/19364/pages/485/page.pdf

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Bishop - Bedford; Hunts, Hemingford Grey
Allen - Hunts, Hemingford Abbotts
Clement - Croydon
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Partridge - North Beds; Northants & Peterborough
Bishop - Bedford; Hunts, Hemingford Grey
Allen - Hunts, Hemingford Abbotts
Clement - Croydon
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Re: Hitchin & Southill lookups please
« Reply #24 on: Monday 21 March 11 21:22 GMT (UK) »
Terry

I fear you might be wasting your time with the PR trees as you'll still have to check whatever you're told with the parish register. The marriage was said to have taken place at St Mary Warwick, whose marriages have been extracted onto the IGI, and it's not there. So you first need to see if that marriage is real and what other detail it provides eg parish of residence and witnesses. Then you need to check the same parish register for Thomas' baptism. I think both trees are wrong - the other one has invented a baptism in Hitchin for him, so they obviously have no link to his alleged parents, Robert & Lydia, other than him naming one of his Hitchin daughters Lydia. Both trees should be filed under F................Fiction

The LDS pilot seems to have Warwick St Mary baptisms as Thomas and Sarah baptised Elizabeth there on 9 Oct 1763. They also baptised Sarah and Ann there on 16 Jun 1765. Ann was buried on 25 June and Sarah on 29 June. Unfortunately it seems to be one of the LDS's female only batches so I can't see if there's a baptism of Thomas.

Robert and Sarah baptised three children at Warwick, two at Southill, and four at Hitchin, including their last son, Decimus. If he was the tenth there's one short!
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: Hitchin & Southill lookups please
« Reply #25 on: Monday 21 March 11 21:30 GMT (UK) »
my friend Mr Google found me this . . . . . . .

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/19364/pages/485/page.pdf

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One of the other people named is Decimus Jackson - is she the daughter of Thomas and Sarah baptised in Hitchin in 1776 later - unlikely as she was a male!!!, or is she Decima, dau of Thomas & Charlotte*. If she was the latter it would tend to confirm that she and Thomas were siblings. Must check the other names to see if there's a pattern.  Can't find a marriage to a Mr Jackson yet

* Of course, if I'd listened during latin lessons at school I might have picked up the difference between Decimus and Decima!
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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« Reply #26 on: Monday 21 March 11 21:45 GMT (UK) »
Two of the other names were children of Thomas and Charlotte - Mary married George Gregory in Luton in 1778 and Charlotte married John Surrey in Luton in 1777 - and I suspect the rest were as well.

It looks to me as though the children of Thomas and Charlotte were entitled to some sort of dividend or legacy under a will. But importantly it brackets Thomas of Pirton with other children of Thomas and Charlotte, which seems to exclude him as being the husband of Sarah who subsequently lived in Southill.

Good find John!

David. That's my lot. I was up at 5 this morning
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell