Elsie HARROP (nee WILLIAMS) b. abt 1893 d. 1932

[RonOne]

Elizabeth Williams d/o John Williams and Arabella
Christened 26 Sep 1846 at Malpas, Cheshire

Alice Williams d/o John Williams and Arabella
Christened 31 Mar 1848 at Malpas, Cheshire

Robert Williams s/o John Williams and Arabella
Christened 29 Apr 1850 at Malpas, Cheshire

Catherine Williams d/o John Williams and Arabella
Christened 11 May 1852 at Malpas, Cheshire

George Frederick Williams s/o John Williams and Arabella
Christened 14 May 1854 at Malpas, Cheshire

Edmund Alfred Williams s/o John Williams and Arabella
Christened 06 Jul 1857 at Malpas, Cheshire

Arabella Emily Williams d/o John Williams and Arabella
Christened 15 Mar 1866 at Malpas, Cheshire

[RonOne]

What do Alice May and Mabel give as their father's occupation on their marriage certificates?

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None listed.

Mabel did not marry, and Alice May was married in Perth Australia in 1934 and that information was not captured.

I did find Arabella WILLIAMS  in the English National Probate Calendar, where it says she passed away on 5/2/1897, and she was a widow living at 36 Bath St Birmingham.

AB

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I found a death record for Caroline WILLIAMS in Apr/May/Jun 1904 in Manchester, Lancashire vol 8d, page 148 with a birth yr of about 1861.  A possibility?


AB

I don't think this is our Caroline WILLIAMS as I found her in the English National Probate Calendar, and that particular Caroline WILLIAMS was married to somebody else.   

I also am now able to confirm that Mabel WILLIAMS travelled to Perth Australia in Jan/Feb 1951.  She was only in Australia for about 6 weeks before she died on 31/3/1951.

AB

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How about this for a possibility for Harold WILLIAMS?   Age looks about right and we are still in Beaufort St

1911 Census
Harold Williams 18 occ Orderly Youth M C C D? b Manchester
He is a Boarder with Joseph and Harriett Fletcher at 38, BEAUFORT STREET, Manchester

and

Marriage Joseph Fletcher to Harriett Caroline BEALE March 1895 Manchester 8d 227

AB

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A possibiliy for Alice?  Still in Beaufort St but number 36.

Harriett Beale  60 Widow b Birmingham
William 34 occ Railway Carrier b Birmingham
George 28 occ Van Man b Manchester
Alice Williams 17 occ Card Box Maker b Manchester
Residing at 36, Beaufort Street, Manchester
Alice is shown as Niece

If Alice is a niece to Harriet BEALE, is there a possibility that a parish record for Harriet Beale's marriage might exist online and we can have a look at witnesses and father's of the bride and groom or also for the Harriet FLETCHER (nee BEALE) marriage in the previous post?


AB

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How about this for a possibility for Harold WILLIAMS?   Age looks about right and we are still in Beaufort St

1911 Census
Harold Williams 18 occ Orderly Youth M C C D? b Manchester

Any idea what the "M C C D" might mean?


AB

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Elsie passed away in 1932 in Ashton, Lancashire, England. 

Are you certain this is correct?  Do you have her death certificate?

As you now know that Elsie Williams was born circa 1898 there is a death reg:

Deaths Sep 1936
Harrop Elsie - Aged 38 - Manchester S. 8d 194

which fits her birth year.

Note: (Manchester S. = Manchester South)

Confirming for you that our Elsie WILLIAMS definitely passed away on 9/7/1936 at 20 Nell-lane (which I understand is the Withington Hospital) so not 1932 as originally thought.  I found her on the National Probate Calendar which confirmed her husband was William Henry HARROP.


AB

[RonOne]

Looks like the burial (14/07/1936) in reply #10 is correct.