William CARR

[pwh]

My great great grandmother  Nora ann Gates arrived on the Royal Dane at Keppel
Bay Queensland Australia 25/7/1865., Her obiturary states that her married sister
came on rhe same ship with her husband William Carr. The only problem is that
no one can find any record of a marriage between a Gates and william Carr in
english  records. Can some one solve this mystery?

                                                                     

[t mo]

hi found this marriage william carr -alice gates wed lancaster sep 1842 vol21 p229
trevor

[cando]

The marriage is too early to be a sister of Nora b.1847.

A thread on the GATES family.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,519965.0.html

Cando

[Dundee]

Hi pwh,

Obituaries are similar to death certificates in that the information supplied is only as reliable as the informant's knowledge, and information is sometimes confused over a long period of time like this.  The best purchase that you could make is Ann's first marriage certificate.  This would give you information on Edward GREEN from your other post and hopefully also give the first name of this sister as a witness perhaps.  I notice that Ann was not married until just after her 21st birthday, and wonder if there was some objection to her marrying this fellow especially as her daughter was already 7 months old.  I am not sure if an older sister would have the authority to refuse permission to marry, but perhaps her husband would in the absence of parents.

I have been trying to find Ann's two known married sisters Margaret and Clara on the 1871 census to ensure that they remained in England but have had no luck so far in identifying them.

It appears that the passenger list for the 1865 voyage of the Royal Dane has not survived, but it would be worth double checking with Queensland Archives.

Debra 

[sparrett]

This would give you information on Edward GREEN from your other post DEBRA

I agree with DEBRA.

On your EDWARD GREEN thread the suggestion was made in REPLY #26 that you make  this purchse in order to move forward in your searches.

Sue

[pwh]

Dundee
        A search of the Qld archives does not show a willam Carr arriving on the
Royal Dane, but there is a reference  in the Rockhampton Morning Bulletin of
12/7/1936 under the heading Royal Dane List of a Bill Carr coming on that Ship
He went to Townsville in the1870s where he became  head of the board of the
Townsville meatworks. I contacted the  Central Qld Family History Assocation
for help. The secretary e-mailed  me that they could not find any trace a Gates/
 Green  marriage. Then came the real surprise.  Ann  Sabina Gates  , according
to her birth certificate  was the daughter of a John Gates and an   Ann Torkington.
More mysteries
                                                        Pwh

[SherlockBones]

Something is not quite right here. According to available information; freeBMD\census reports, there were 7 children born to Robert Gates and Bridget Bolin.
ALL the daughters appear to be accounted for and were married in the UK except for Ann who was married in Qld. The only daughter NOT accounted for is Mary Ann who in 1865 would have only been 8 years old. Unless there was another much older sister I can’t see how it is possible that she arrived with another [married] sister.

Clara m Alfred Jenkins Dec 1866 at age 25
Francis m Harriet Hawkins [widow] Jan 1879 age 36
Margaret m Joseph Keeling Feb 1865 at age 20
Ann Norah m Henry Hart Ed Green then Henry Hart at ages 21 & 23
Christopher died early ca 1872 at age 22
Mary Ann Gates unk
Robert Gates unk
I realize the obi says: -
“Ann North Gates, at the age of 18, arrived in Rockhampton with her married sister and the latter's husband (Mr. and Mrs. William Carr) by the Royal Dane”
BUT, aside from the obituary is there any other evidence to confirm that Ann arrive with the others?
I am starting to believe that someone’s memory was not quite right or the story got mixed up as it was passed down over the years. 

[Aussie1947]

Just for interest from the1868 Queensland PO Directory there was a John Torkington, Blacksmith at St Lawrence which is about 100 km north of Rockhampton. 

Regards
Gerry

[SherlockBones]

The secretary e-mailed  me that they could not find any trace a Gates/
Green  marriage. Then came the real surprise.  Ann  Sabina Gates  , according
to her birth certificate  was the daughter of a John Gates and an   Ann Torkington.
More mysteries                                                        Pwh

Peter this was adressed in your other thread. May I respectfully suggest that you pour over the information that has been provided to you with a fine tooth comb to prevent any double up, both from your side as well as r\chatters who spend a lot of time searching for information in order to assist you. I know I have spent a good 2\3 hours this afternoon searching for infomation and trying to sort it all out  Also it is etiquette to throw out the odd "thank you" now and again to all those that do assist in your research
 
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,518883.0.html.

There is an Ann Sabina Gates born 1868 ref C2349 to a John Gates and Ann Torkington. Appears to be a different family altogether.

[Would suggest thought that] John Gates and Ann Norah Gates are possibly related due to their child having the same name.

Regards

Jon