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[Tipple]

Hello all,

This is really just a general enquiry at present.  I have the birth certificate of my great-grandmother's son by her first marriage where her former name is one surname.  On the certificate for her marriage to my great-grandfather (as a widow), her father's name is given as something totally different!  I am sorry if this sounds a bit convoluted, but it is really confusing.  I am sure there must be a reason.  Thank you in advance of your help.   (BTW the area is Manchester/Salford)

Tipple

[Billyblue]

Are you sure it was her first marriage?
Dawn M

[kooky]

Do you have the marriage cert. for her first marriage?

Also have you found your gt gr mother in any censuses?
This may help with names.

Kooky

[genjen]

Hello Tipple and welcome to Rootschat,

Do you have the details for what you believe is her first marriage? As Dawn suggests, maybe she was actually married twice before she married your g.grandfather.

Maybe if you give us some names and dates, we could start a search to try to help you.

Jen

[Tipple]

Thank you for your responses.

I am assuming it was her first marriage, as her husband was only 36 when he died in 1898.  I don't have their marrage certificate, but I have found the record (which I can't put my hand on at the moment) I think it was 1885.

The surname is Morrison and they are listed in the 1891 Census as living in Myrtle Street, Broughton, Salford.  It would appear that she also had an identity crisis, as she has about four variants of her first name - Maria, Emily Maria, Maria Alice, Alice.

I am going out shortly, so I will try to find out a bit more and log on later.

Thanks for your responses so far

[Dalum]

So this must be the 1891 household...

piece 3210 folio 122 page 36
4 Myrtle St
(Broughton, Salford)
James MORRISON Head Marr 29 CJoiner* LAN Hulme*
Maria E Wife Marr 25 Wales Brecon Beaufort*
James T Son 6 LAN Broughton
William Son 2 LAN Broughton
Mabel Dau 3mo LAN Broughton

"CJoiner" the 'C' may an added abbreviation (for carpenter?)
"Hulme": written over a crossed out "Manchester"
"Wales Brecon Beaufort" : 'Wales Brecon' are also struck through but I think this is part of the statistical work - ie, ticks rather than crossings-out.

Possible marriage:

GRO Marriages DEC Qtr 1883   
Morrison  James    Salford  8d 10   
THOMAS  Maria     Salford  8d 10

(the middle name of the child James Thomas may be for his mother's maiden name)

Hugh

[Tipple]

Hi Hugh,

Yes, you are correct - I have the 1891 census, although I have to admit that I had not really noticed the "Brecon."  I think I have found a record for a Maria Thomas being born In "Breckonshire", as being the only possible connection, but I discounted it (I have already found out, looking at various postings before actually registering, that nothing should be!).

I really will have to look through all the information that I do have and try to make further sense of it all - it might take me a day or two.  I will also have to order the marriage certificate for her and James Morrison.

Thanks again for your help.

 

[Dalum]

I am not an expert on Welsh geography  but Brecon, Breconshire and Brecknockshire all seem to be variants of the same county.

Beaufort is in the parish of Llangatwg / Llangattock according to this page at GenUKI http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/Llangatwg/index.html

What is the unexpected father's name on the second marriage certificate? and what was his occupation?

Hugh

[Tipple]

Hi Everyone,

Before I post any further information, do I now qualify for PM's?

Thanks.

T