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Re: Farm Servant or Ag Lab?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 20 March 11 14:45 GMT (UK) »
It's evidently quite complicated, thank you very much for these helpful comment.

There is a difference between what the clerks in the census office concluded as to the precise occupation, or perhaps, more clearly, the category of occupation in which the person was recorded, and the notation on the census return itself.

Presumably the enumerator might have guided some of the less educated of the population into what occupation they should describe themselves as holding.

Evidently, whatever this particular ancestor did, he chose to describe himself differently.
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Re: Farm Servant or Ag Lab?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 20 March 11 21:11 GMT (UK) »
The nature of work/status of the farm labourer can differ according to which part of the country the worker was living in apparently, and as the 19th century went on, things also changed. I've just been reading a paper from 1988 - Rural Life in SW Lancashire 1840-1914 which discusses this question, so I might 'go on' a bit here ;).

The 'farm servant' was generally employed directly and continuously by one farmer (and farmers themselves were almost always tenant farmers) and if he/she lived in then they were classed as an 'indoor servant'. Most such did literally live in as otherwise the farmer would be responsible for building them a cottage, and in SW Lancashire that was something the farmers classed as responsibility of the landlords (e.g. Lord Derby, the Count de Casteja etc). You can also see from census returns from that area that specifically domestic staff were recorded as such. I think in general, that if someone is listed as a 'farm servant' but living in his own address, then he must have worked for a farmer who either owned his own land or had a very good landlord.

As time goes on you can see that a man who might have been listed as 'farm servant' might instead be listed as 'carter' or whatever his special job on the farm might be. Also, the use of 'farm servants' dies out gradually after a while.

Those who were employed as 'agricultural labourers' were generally either 'datallers' or 'teamsmen', the latter engaged with work involving horses such as ploughing and carting. The 'dataller' was employed on a 'day rate' though in practice he would be in pretty much continuous employment in that district, extra labour was generally bought in from Ireland or provided by wives and children in potato picking seasons (even in the 1970s we called our autumn school holiday 'potato picking week'). In the 20th century, my grandad and his brother were agricultural labourers, but they actually were employed by specialist teams who roamed the district providing threshing services.

Also in that district there were no hiring fairs, wage rates were published in local newspapers, and there were more than the usual number of small farms owing to the high fertility of the land being very productive. Often on small farms, they might employ a youngster as a 'farm seravnt' but otherwise use family and agricultural labourers.
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Re: Farm Servant or Ag Lab?
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 20 March 11 21:38 GMT (UK) »
From the 1891 Census Census Enumerators' Book, Instructions for filling up the Columns headed "Profession or Occupation".
10. Agricultural Laborers, Shepherds, and others employed on Farms must return themselves as such. The term "Laborer" must not be used by itself to describe an "Agricultural Laborer." Men employed on Farms and living in the Farmer's house may return themselves as Farm Servants, but this term should not be used for domestic servants in a farm house. http://tinyurl.com/6533cvg (RootsChat Shrink Link does not work)

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Re: Farm Servant or Ag Lab?
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 20 March 11 23:18 GMT (UK) »
Have a read of "Ask the fellows who cut the Hay" that gives you some good information on those employed as farm workers and is taken from oral history compiled by George Ewart Evans. It has been revised and reprinted in the last year or so to mark the 100 yar anniversary of the authors birth.

It is an exceptionally good reference book.

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Re: Farm Servant or Ag Lab?
« Reply #13 on: Monday 21 March 11 14:41 GMT (UK) »
Thanks to all for this information, it's very interesting indeed.

The book you refer to, Alan, sounds particularly helpful and should probably be required reading for all the people on here who have Ag Labs as ancestors (that's most of us then!  ;))

Pay, Kent. 
Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex