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[toni*]

Name: Phebey Frame
 Female
Christening 05 Feb 1769  SAINT OLAVE,SOUTHWARK,SURREY,ENGLAND
Father Abraham Frame
Mother Phebey

[toni*]

I can’t see any trade directories that cover London / Middlesex in the 1790’s online to look for William Mostyn hatter

[toni*]

i looked on IGI for St Olave christenings but they are not covered and there are no marriages for Abraham Frame (spelt as such) on there either
only a submitted entry

batch no. C022727

[famhistbuff]

Wow. I have just woken up to a flurry of activity. I'd better have my coffee & get to answering your questions. Be back soon.

Lisa

[famhistbuff]

who gave the information of James parents to the registrar upon his death?

It is difficult to make out - it looks like William Doyle.  I do not know who that is. 

[famhistbuff]

Are you looking for any of his NSW info or for his life before the Old Bailey ...

Do you have a copy of the info from the NSW Col Sec's 1788-1825 papers, the index says it is his memorial (Petition to the Governor) 17 May 1820 ... it could make mention of his various surnames.  http://colsec.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/colsec/default.htm  (This link gives you some idea of the numbers of men with the name James BUTLER in NSW in that era. )

Does his CP of 5 June 1815 help ... although I notice this too was issued to James BUTLER

How sure are you that the 1816 marriage was for your  James BUTLER ... could there be two different chaps...

a)  I already know an enormous amount of detail about his life in NSW, now trying to break through the brick wall of his former life.

b) His petition gives no information that is useful in this search.  It is a land petition and talks mainly about his good behaviou and servitude on the mountain road.

c) His pardon gives no further info that can help in this search.

d)  Positive about the marriage to Mary Francis.

[famhistbuff]

A Question for familyhistorybuff .... have you accessed his probate packet at the Kingswood Archives office of NSW State Records, and does it give any further info to help?

Cheers,  JM

Hi JM,

Yep. I have his will - it's very brief, nothing helpful re his past.

[famhistbuff]

Here are James & Mary's 14 children:

Sarah (1817 - 1905)
Catherine (1819 - 1893)
Mary (1820 - ?)
James Thomas (1821 - 1907)
Harriet Rosina (1823 - 1913)
John (1825 - 1906)
William (1827 - 1869)
Mary (1830 - 1919)
Thomas (1833 - 1903)
Jane Ann (1835 - 1910)
Isaac (1837 - 1935)
Maria Ann (1840 - 1888)
Fairlie Francis (1844 - 1934)
Walter ( - 1893) (? on this one - not 100% convinced)

What I have always noticed is there is no Phoebe, but then again there is also no Honora (his wife Mary's mother).

Lisa

[toni*]

who gave the information of James parents to the registrar upon his death?

It is difficult to make out - it looks like William Doyle.  I do not know who that is. 

maybe you should find out, he obviously knew a lot if he knew James parents names