Thomas CARTWRIGHT Born 1864 Birkenhead England

[majm]

There's a SUBMITTED online tree (so you will need to carefully verify the following information)

Winifred Ethel Royal CARTWRIGHT, daughter of Thomas CARTWRIGHT and Minnie Alice ROYAL
Winifred born 23 Oct 1906 at  115 Balfour Rd, Ilford Essex, England
Married Thomas James McAULIFFE (a boxer) who was born 25 July 1897 in Victoria Australia.  This was his second marriage. This wedding was at Convent at Lockhart, in NSW, on 26 April 1930.  There were children of that marriage.

1901 Minnie CARTWRIGHT with Harold R and others (but not Thomas, her husband) is at 54 Windsor Rd, ILFORD, in Essex.  Perhaps Thomas was serving in Sth Africa (Boer War).


Cheers,  JM

[miabar]

1881 Census:    8 Guillaume Terr
Census Place Southampton St Mary, Hampshire, England

Ellen ROYAL   Head       WIDOW    Age:  37     B:Chilmark, Wiltshire, England   
Occupation:  Formerly School Mistress

Children:
Ethel H.    Daur   7    B: Freemantle, Hampshire, England   
Minnie E.A.   Daur  5   B: South Hackney, Middlesex, England 
Mabel N.    Daur     2   B: South Hackney, Middlesex

Also living in the house were
 Elizabeth SMITH  Serv 18  General Servant Dom     
 Richard HILL   Boarder 24  Marine Engine Fitter 

[jodieannem]

Posted by: miabar  Posted on: Today at 11:08:46 
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Searched: marriages BDM NSW from 1910-1950
Marriage :  1930  LOCKHART
Husband: MACAULIFFE  THOMAS J 
Wife: CARTWRIGHT  WINIFRED E R   
 
Yes this is correct ~ Winifred is my Nanna Mac

Posted by: majm
Yes the tree on ancestry is probably mine "The Matheson Tree"
so you will see I have most the info to do with all the other members...just get stuck at Thomas 1864 ~ nans father.
Sadly nan has been gone for about 16 years now and mum said she never spoke about her father and that when she referred to him she called him "father" very impersonal.
I will check out the Boer war idea

I just want to be clear with every one I have a lot of research and notes from nan and  others  on all other members but no one seems to know or talk about Thomas.

[majm]

Hi there,

Some thoughts

Do you know/suspect if Thomas Cartwright came to Australia ...
Have you found Minnie and/or Harold and/or Winifred's arrival to Australia ...
Were there any children between Harold and Winifred or after Winifred perhaps do did not survive their infancy

And YES, twas "The Matheson Tree" that I found online  and you have done a great deal of research on everyone there and you have so little for this elusive Thomas ...  He's been a bit of a brickwall for you .. 

I'll try to get my thinking cap into first gear...

Cheers,  JM 

[jodieannem]

ALSO in answer  to

Agh    Welcome to RChat, bestest site around for help with family history,

You say they all ended up in Australia

I dont know when or how nan ~ Winifred Ethel Royal Cartwright came to Australia but I have that she lived and married in
Lockhart, Hume, New South Wales, Australia 1930

They then had kids (some still alive ) but they were born and lived around North Vic , Numurkah , Deniliquin, Wagga, Yarrawonga, Barooga

[KGarrad]

I found thes possibilities:

28th July 1928 Departed Southampton travelling to Quebec aboard the Albertic
Minnie Cartwright, age 53 (so born c1875)
Address in UK 91 Carden Street, Princes Park, Liverpool

20th October 1927 Departed Liverpool travelling to Montreal aboard the Megantic
Harry Royal Cartwright, age 26 (so born c1901)
Address un UK 91 Cawden Street, Liverpool

[jodieannem]

Im looking at
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au and have found a T Cartwright who came over 1909 with another gentelmen surname Cartwright...this is a possability as there is a census that says Minnie & her son Harry were  at the house (with her mother and sister) with out Thomas ...but it still refers to Thomas as the head. But of course this may not mean any thing at all as Winifred was also not preent

[clanmac]

Hi, I have just found this thread about Thomas Cartwright (my great grandfather) and here is some information that I can give and have records to verify almost all of this. I also have lots of records regarding the family in my private family tree.

Thomas Cartwright born 6.12.185 in Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Father: Henry was an Engineer at the time of Thomas' marriage

Possible Family in 1871 Census (not able to verify this is his family)
Father: Henry 39, born in Rippon Yorkshire - tinplate ?
Mother: Mary 41, born in North Wales
Brother: William 12, Scholar born in Birkenhead
Thomas: 5, Scholar born in Birkenhead
Brother: Henry 2 born in Yorkshire

Occupation: Mariner -1st, 2nd and Master Certificates obtained in UK - Certificate No: 022508

Naturalised as a US Citizen aged 37, first arriving in the US at aged 21 (date of birth given is 6.12.1865). Photo attached to document.

Passport Applications: one at aged 49 (Cert no 10644) and the other at 51 (Cert No 57174), date & place of birth given as 6.12.1865, Birkenhead, Cheshire England. Photos on both applications.

Also have some of the ships that Thomas worked and the positions he held.

Thomas & Minnie Emma Alice Royal married 6 September 1899 in Tynemouth, Northumberland, and have 2 children Harry Royal Cartwright 1900-1988 & Winifred Ethel Royal Cartwright 1906-1996.

Winifred's School Admissions show that in 1918 Thomas was a Officer, Mercant Marine and iupon hr leaving in 1924, he was a Lieutenant in the US Naval Reserves. Also, on Harry's WWII draft papers 1940, Thomas (aged 75) was a Lieutenant Commander living in the US Naval Home (which was a place for retired officers) in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. I have tried to find out information from the Naval Home but the records have been moved to St Louis and you can only access the records in person at the National Archives (I live in overseas).

Minnie lived in Montreal Canada from 1928 onward, while Thomas worked on the ships in the US. Not able to find her in any records other than in England.

Both Thomas and Minnie's deaths, are also a mystery.
 
Harry joined his father in the US about 1928 and died in 1988 in Brooklyn, Anne Arundel, Maryland. I have the record for Harry's 1928 US Application for Seaman's Protection Certificate. His birth date is wrong on the paperwork, not sure why.
 
Winifred immigrated to Australia in approx 1928, married and had 8 children.

If anyone could help, would be grateful and if you need more information, please let me know.

[Rosa Bonheur]

I have 16 years of volunteer work at a cemetery in Maryland, USA that has human beings and pets buried there.  There is a grave there for Harry Royale Cartwright who was born December 13, 1900 and died May 11, 1988.

Currently I need a letter from a family member to avoid the disinterment and removal of Mr. Cartwright.  A developer wants to build on the cemetery, so if there is a family member that can help it would mean a great deal.

For details please contact me as soon as possible.