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Re: Is my Grt grt Grandfather Jewish?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 31 March 11 16:15 BST (UK) »
Does the original poster have any of the children's birth certificates - for the mother's maiden name?
Rigg/Scholfield - Oldham/Rochdale
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Re: Is my Grt grt Grandfather Jewish?
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 31 March 11 16:51 BST (UK) »
I wonder if he chose Taylor because that's what his father was (tailor)
A bit simplistic I know.

Very possible.  I have his father pos. Abraham Benjamin down as a trader in feathers - where did you see tailor? 

Does the original poster have any of the children's birth certificates - for the mother's maiden name?

No I have no birth certificates for Taylor at all.  Have spent a long time looking for them.  These births certainly do tally up both in name and birth date for all the children which is fairly unusual wouldn't you say?

I would really like to find a death certificate for Moss Benjamin as this would help but I don't think there is one?

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Re: Is my Grt grt Grandfather Jewish?
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 31 March 11 17:00 BST (UK) »
1841 census has Abraham listed as tailor.
Abraham Benjamin/28/tailor/foreign parts
Louisa/24
Benjamin/1
In 1861 listed as Ostrich feather maker.
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Re: Is my Grt grt Grandfather Jewish?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 31 March 11 17:02 BST (UK) »
When and where did Catherine Amy die and what does it say about her marital status?
When was the last time you can find Moss/Alfred? That would help narrow down his death of course.

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Re: Is my Grt grt Grandfather Jewish?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 31 March 11 17:18 BST (UK) »
Catherine Amy (Taylor) died 22nd Oct 1915 (59) - her death cert says she was a widow to Alfred Taylor - General Dealer

Birth date:  abt 1856 Birth place:Southampton  Death date:  Dec 1915 Death place:  London, Middlesex, United Kingdom

The first time I have Alfred taylor is in the 1891 census and Moss Benjamin I believe is the 1881 census. So between those years he must have changed his name or it's they both disappear?

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Re: Is my Grt grt Grandfather Jewish?
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 31 March 11 17:53 BST (UK) »
It looks like he died between 1901 and 1911 then- cos she's widowed by then too.

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Re: Is my Grt grt Grandfather Jewish?
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 31 March 11 18:11 BST (UK) »
I have a date for Alfred Taylor as have his death certificate 1906, Shadwell.

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Re: Is my Grt grt Grandfather Jewish?
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 31 March 11 19:39 BST (UK) »
From the censuses:
1891 - (Taylor) - 153, high rd, shadwell
1901 - (Taylor) - 154, high st, shadwell


From FreeBMD:
Births Mar 1896 
 Benjamin  Hilda Mary    Stepney  1c 393   

Births Jun 1897   
Benjamin  Evelyn Dennis     Stepney  1c 393   

Since the Taylors were at the same address in 1891 and 1901, it might be worth getting the certificate of one of these two Benjamin children to see where they were born.

The OP says:
Children of Catherine Amy Taylor and Alfred Taylor in 1901

Earnest Charles b.1878 
Philip Horace b.1879
Maud Adelaide b. 1888
Dennis Evelyn b.1897
Clifford b.1894
Hilda Mary b.1896
Reginald b.1891
Amy Louise b.1876


and the following are on freeBMD:
Births Sep 1878   
 BENJAMIN  Ernest Charles     St. Geo. East  1c 375


Births Dec 1879   
Benjamin  Horace Philip     St. Geo. East  1c 387

Births Dec 1888   
 BENJAMIN  Maud Adelaide     St. Geo. East  1c 359

Births Jun 1897   
Benjamin  Evelyn Dennis     Stepney  1c 393

Births Jun 1894 
 Benjamin  Clifford Benjamin     Stepney  1c 391

Births Mar 1896 
 Benjamin  Hilda Mary     Stepney  1c 393

Births Mar 1891   
BENJAMIN  Reingold Louis     St. Geo. East  1c 404

Births Dec 1876   
BENJAMIN  Amy Louisa     St.Geo.East  1c 403


---and not a Taylor amongst them!

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Re: Is my Grt grt Grandfather Jewish?
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 31 March 11 19:59 BST (UK) »
Amy L Granddaughter b. 1900 - Cannot find her birth certificate either..? I think she is child to Amy Louise as is stated in 1911 census. Her full name on that census is Amy Francis Maluka Ellis (father Frances Robert Ellis)

The military records for Francis Robert ELLIS record his marriage to Amy Louise as having taken place on 26 Feb 1899 at All Saints, Woodford Wells, Essex, and the birth of their daughter Amy Francis Maluka ELLIS as having taken place on 25 July 1899, Wapping.

Marriage reg, Mar qtr 1899: Francis Robert ELLIS/Amy Louisa TAYLOR, West Ham 4a 277

Birth reg, Sep qtr 1899: Amy Frances M ELLIS, Stepney 1c 372 (She was subsequently baptised at Christ Church, Watney Street on 25 March 1902).
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