2 families at same street/address?

[collins37]

Hi There

Wonder if anyone can help me solve this please

I have Been looking at baptism records for my Collins family and came up with something i can not answer.

Jeremiah&Ann collins had 3 children
Thomas 1825
Margaret 1827 (died 6 months later :-( )
Henry1831

Addresses on baptism records George yard/Kent Street Southwark

Daniel&Mary had 7 children


Caroline 1821
Daniel 1824
Elizabeth&Henry -Twins 1833
John 1836
Jane 1838
Ann 1843

Addresses on baptism record Kent street southwark

Could these be the same family or the same person Daniel/Jeremiah?

Found the 1841 census with the Daniel&Mary family and it shows a this Collins on there?
Also says Daniel was born in Surrey abt 1796..can not find this birth record but found one for Jeremiah in 1798?
I am really stuck here! I hope someone can shed some light on this for me
Thanks and look forward to all the help I can get.

[Jeuel]

I wouldn't assume they are the same couple because the address is the same.  It's possible that they are connected though, Daniel and Jeremiah could be brothers or cousins. 

Have you tried finding them further on in the census or looking for marriage/burial records?

[suzard]

Hi -just been loking at the baptisms of the 2 Henrys

They are of separate couples

Jeremiah's wife is Mary Ann -not Ann

and Henry and Elizabeth (parents Daniel and mary were not twins -they were just baptised on same day

St mary Newington
baptism
Henry Collins
bornFeb 12 1831
Baptised Mar 13 1831
son of
Jeremiah & Mary Ann Cillins
Kent St
occ Labourer

St mary newington

Baptisms
Elizabeth Collins
born  Nov 1 1830
baptised Dec 8 1833
daughter of
Daniel & mary Collins
Kent St
occ labourer

Henry Collins
born Nov 16 1833
baptised Dec 8 1833
son of
Daniel & Mary Collins
Kent St
occ labourer


Suz

[groom]

I wouldn't think they are the same family as both parents names are different and looking at the dates of the children that would mean they switched them every time they baptised a child.  More likely as Jeuel said they were brothers.

Another reason is that both families have children called Henry. Unless the Henry born 1831 died, they are unlikely to have called another child born in 1833 the same name.

Jan

[suzard]

Isn't this more likely to be Daniel and mary and children in 1841 (more children than you posted)

1841
Little Britton Southwark
(Kent Road subregistration district)
Daniel Collins 45 Plastrer
Mary 45
Daniel 20 Plastrer
Thomas 15 hawker
Mary 12
Elizabeth 10
Henry 7
John 5
jane 3
Ann 6mth
all b in county
HO107 1085 4 36 31

Suz

[suzard]

they are definately 2 separate families

You seem to have taken the baptism dates as the birth dates for the children -and they are not the same

You have Ann daughter of Daniel and Mary Collins as b. 1843 - yet she appears as 6mth old on 1841 census - she was baptised in 1843

St mary newington
Ann Collins
born 22 oct 1840
baptised Jun 4 1843
Parents Daniel & mary Collins
Kent St
occ labourer

Suz

[jim1]

Same info. as above also there's a marriage for Daniel  to Mary Ann Hale 1820.
Could Jeremiah & Ann/Mary have had another child,there's an Ann Cox married to Thomas Cox in 1841 with Henry Collins/18;William Collins/12 & Henry Collins/10 living in Southwark.Jeremiah may have died as I can't find him on the census & Ann remarried.
There are 3 Jemermiah Collins deaths 1828-38 Southwark but no ages given.
Agree with the others 2 different families.

jim

[suzard]

Hi Jim

I had the same thoughts as you

Marriage
St Mary Newington
2 April 1820
Daniel Collins
Mary Ann Hall
witnesses William Hall & Jane hall
all made their mark

Suz

[suzard]

Marriage
St George the martyr Southwark
21 Nov 1836
Thomas Cox bachelor of this parish
Ann Collins widow of this parish
by banns
(banns read 30 Oct 1836, 6 Nov, 13 Nov)
witnesses Richd Bell Frances bell

1841
SAandford Place Southwark
Thos Cox 25 porter
Ann 30
Thos Collins 18 Warehouseman
William Collins 12
Henry Collins 10
all b in county
HO107 1085 7 48 10

Suz