Can I have you help please ?

[babbie]

Hi,
    I am quite new at researching my family and I am having trouble finding this family on many of the  census
John Valentine bc 1804 Caputh Perthshire  married Jane Finlay  b 1811 St. Monance Fife I can find no marriage date or birthdates for their family and have been unable to find them on many census all I have for family for them are William b c 1842 John b c 1850 and Margaret b 1852 I have all the marriages deaths etc. on these children I am trying to find out if there might be more
John b c 1804 was the son of John Valentine and Marjory McLagan this is from his death certificate
I again have no date of marriage for them and trying to find out if John had any brothers or sisters.

Thank you,
babbie

[CaroleW]

Hi and welcome to Rootschat

You say you have all marriage and death certs for children William, John & Margaret

Where and when did they each marry and who did they each marry?

Presume John & Jane's details came from the childrens marriage/death certs - is that correct?

[babbie]

Hi,
    Thank you for your welcome I hope you will bear with me I have never taken part in a forum before.
This is my information
     William marrried Ann Gibson 1867 in Coupar Angus family rumours say he died abroad but I don't know where
John married Elizabeth Watson 1876 Dumbarton I have found children for them starting in 1887  he died in 1905
Margaret never married she died 1903 in Dundee
from their death certificates I found Johns parents as John Valentine and Marjory McLagan
Janes as John Finlay and Elizabeth Marr who married in North Leith Edinburgh in 1803

babbie

[CaroleW]

from their death certificates I found Johns parents as John Valentine and Marjory McLagan

Just checking - this is the death cert of John senior isn't it?

[babbie]

Hi,
     Yes it is

     babbie

[CaroleW]

Is this William in 1871 living at 16 South Church St,  Lochee, Angus - all b Lochee except William snr

William Valentine 26 b Forfar
Ann 26
Thomas G  2
William  7 months
Liff, Benvie and Invergowrie ED 5 Page  3

And is this John in 1881 at 10 Clyde St Dumbartonshire

John Valentine 31 b Dundee Forfar - ships joiner
Elizabeth 27 b Dumbarton
Dumbarton ED 12 Page 10 Line 12

I can see Margaret in the 1901 - aged 47 b Dundee and she has one of John & Elizabeth's daughters with her(Jane b 1885).  Margaret is a shopkeeper/grocer

Probably Margaret in 1891 - shown as nephew

22 King St Monifieth

Elizabeth Gray 75 b St Monance Fife - grocer
Mary Finlay 70 sister b St Monance
Margaret Valentine 39 (nephew) b Dundee occ housekeeper
Monifieth ED 2 Page 60 Line 3

[CaroleW]

I think I may have found them in 1861 as BALLANTINE.  However - birthyear for Jean/Jane is right but you would need to check the actual image on SP as I suspect John should be 57 not 37

60 Albert St Dundee

John Ballantine 37 joiner b Dalbethy Perth
Jean 49 b St Monance Fife
William 18 b Pittenweem, Fifeshire
John   11 b Dundee
Margaret   9 b Dundee
Dundee ED 29 Page  18 Line 24

[ev]

hi all 

just to add -

22 King St Monifieth

1891 census listed as monifieth but i think this would have been broughty ferry

ev

[babbie]

Hi,
    Thank you both for your input . William on 1871 census is not the William this one married an Ann Rea
in 1861 cenus yes that is them and John should be 57 .

I think you are right that is one of John and Elizabeths daughter have found their marriages and one of their deaths rest will have to wait until I can get a trip to Edinburgh.

Thank you
babbie