Author Topic: Family in India John O'Brien b 4 Dec, baptised 11 Dec 1853, Kurachee, Bombay  (Read 7804 times)

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Re: Family in India
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 19 April 16 14:09 BST (UK) »
Hopefully one of you Irish experts will check out the marriage, am waiting to be told have got it wrong.Difficult when no idea where this guy the father Patrick O Brien hails from.
As the son John O Brien had a lifelong marriage with a girl from Co Down ref[1911] just wonder if this is where the family originate from. Just a quess
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« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 19 April 16 23:18 BST (UK) »
Hi again Brionne - thank you for pushing this.

Hmmm lots to think about.

I too had thought of Ellen, born 1856 - what is the father's occupation there?  Would we be able to find out more about her? 

John's first grandchild was born in 1915, and amended the certificate after registration as there had been some mistakes - she was called Ellen!

In our family, the tradition is that out of Margaret and John, one was the north, the other from the south - as Margaret was from Down, that would suggest John was from the south ... assuming that this is correct.  Still, I don't know.

RE The 1857 deaths - I admit that military records from this time confuse me.  Also, I'm apprehensive to have the 1857 deaths as my relative, due to the fact that when John married in 1882,  he said he father was deceased but that he was a ships' carpenter, like himself.

Also, not sure why I can't find John on any of the crewe lists on FindMyPast.  Are they not fully uploaded?

Thank you again!

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« Reply #20 on: Monday 25 April 16 11:30 BST (UK) »
Could this be Ellen?  The sister mentioned here?


British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Deaths & Burials Transcription

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First name(s)    Ellen R
Last name    O'Brien
Birth year    1857
Death date    17 Aug 1883
Death year    1883
Age    26
Burial date    17 Aug 1883
Place    Lucknow
Presidency    Bengal
Archive Reference    N-1-184
Folio    -
Page    198
Catalogue Description    Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Record set    British India Office deaths & burials
Category    Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)
Subcategory    Deaths & burials
Collections from    United Kingdom

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Re: Family in India
« Reply #21 on: Monday 25 April 16 11:49 BST (UK) »
A possible remarriage of the mother?


British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Marriages Transcription

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First name(s)    Catherine
Last name    O'Brien
Marriage year    1868
Marriage date    6 Oct 1868
Spouse's first name    John Alexander
Spouse's last name    Fox
Place    Nellore
Presidency    Madras
Groom's age    33
Bride's age    43
Groom's father's first name    George Reuben
Groom's father's last name    Fox
Bride's father's first name    Thomas
Bride's father's last name    Ward
Catalogue description    Madras ecclesiastical records, omissions and corrections, 1777-1884, :
Archive reference    N-2-8
Folio number    35
Entry number    -
Record set    British India Office marriages
Category    Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)
Subcategory    Marriages & divorces
Collections from    United Kingdom


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Re: Family in India
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 26 April 16 08:54 BST (UK) »
May have it now,follow this line.  Catherine OBrien married a Dennis Crowley somewhere.
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1871 John OBrien 17 Joiner Brit Subj East Indies
         Ellen OBrien 15 Domestic Brit Subj East Indies.
         Head, Dennis Crowley 47 b Ireland
         Wife, Catherine Crowley 40 born Ireland.
         Margaret  Crowley 15  born East Indies.
         Middlesborough Durham.
Dyer,Wilts,Weare Somerset Dorset Wilts.
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Simper Wilts.West Wilts.West Vermont.Kelsey Surrey.Chappell
Chapel Essex.McPherson,M Pherson MacPherson
Perthshire Scotland,Cork,Dublin,Drogheda Ireland.
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Re: Family in India
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 26 April 16 10:43 BST (UK) »
THANK YOU!

How on earth did you find this?  I've searched for years, as have countless others.  Wow, what a skilled detective you are!

This seems to be them, without doubt really.

Wow, thank you again!

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Re: Family in India
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 26 April 16 11:42 BST (UK) »
Family Search has most of the British India Office BMDs now,its a question of putting the right stuff in the boxes. Will post the reference later.
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Re: Family in India
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 26 April 16 12:02 BST (UK) »
I since discovered Catherine and Denis and daughter Margaret living in Port Clarence in 1881 ...

Also, that daughter Ellen married a Patrick Martin and that Margaret married a John Fane (using the census to confirm birthdates).  However, most of it seems to be confirmed by Ellen's obituary:

Daily Gazette for Middlesbrough December 3, 1894

FUNERAL OF MRS PATRICK MARTIN AT MIDDLEBROUGH.-On Saturday, the body of Mrs Martin, wife of Councillor Patrick Martin, of the Whitby Arms, Stockton-street, Middlesbrough, was interred at St. Joseph's Cemetery, North Ormesby.  There was a large gathering of relaives and friends from Hartlepool, Darlington and Newcastle, now fewer than 57 cabs and carriages being requisioned to convey the mourners from Stockton-street to the Cemetery.  Amongst those present were the husband of deceased, and his children; his brother, Mr Jno. Martin; deceased's brother and sister, Mr J. O'Brien and Mrs. Margaret Fane, Concillor Geo. Martin and Mrs Martin, Mrs John Mardon, Mrs M. Prior, Mr and Mrs J. Harrington, Dr. Webster, and Mrs. Bell.  The body was enclosed in an oak coffin mounted with brass, and the hearse was filled with wreaths.  The Rev. Fathers Wood and O'Connor performed the funeral service at the cemetery.

I think the MRS. BELL is the Gertrude Bell the famous author.  I wonder who the other guests are.  Thank you!

Thank you so much!

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Re: Family in India
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 26 April 16 12:13 BST (UK) »
This is good news.

Suspect you have no need now of the 1871 info.
Let me know if you do.

Still the question of Patrick O Briens death to nail down.
I found the following which could be the answer.

Death,    Patrick O Brien 18 July 1857.
Age 37, Delhi Bengal
Born 1820,
Cause, Cholera.
1st E B Fusiliers,
Ref,N-1-92   Page 1076       Find My Past.
Dyer,Wilts,Weare Somerset Dorset Wilts.
Weare/Robinson Ottawa Canada.Petty Wilts.
Simper Wilts.West Wilts.West Vermont.Kelsey Surrey.Chappell
Chapel Essex.McPherson,M Pherson MacPherson
Perthshire Scotland,Cork,Dublin,Drogheda Ireland.
Census information Crown Copy right from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk