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WAGNER, Mary Ann-born Staten Is. America
« on: Monday 02 May 11 05:26 BST (UK) »
Hello
I'm looking for any information on this family and don't know where to start.

Mary Ann Wagner was married in New Zealand in 1890 aged 17.
That would have her born circa 1873 but is possibly up to 3 years younger.

Her birth place is listed as Staten Island, America. I haven't found any records.
Her parents are listed as John and Margaret Wagner (formerly O'Loughlin)
John Wagner was a sailmaker.

My inexperienced searches didn't turn up anything so if anyone could help I'd be so grateful

Thanks
Sally



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Re: WAGNER, Mary Ann-born Staten Is. America
« Reply #1 on: Monday 02 May 11 18:05 BST (UK) »
According to this site - http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyrichmo/vitals.html - there are no official records from that time frame. 

If they remained in Staten Island, there was an 1875 New York State census done.  It's not online currently, but the microfilms of it held by the LDS church are mentioned here:  http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyrichmo/fhl/fhl_census.shtml

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Re: WAGNER, Mary Ann-born Staten Is. America
« Reply #2 on: Monday 02 May 11 22:18 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that advice.
I checked the 1880 census online, and no John Wagner sailmaker listed. I am half the world away in New Zealand unfortunately so won't be able to check the microfilm.
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Sally


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Re: WAGNER, Mary Ann-born Staten Is. America
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 03 May 11 03:17 BST (UK) »
There are literally dozens of LDS family search centers in New Zealand where the microfilm can be ordered for a small amount.

Nick
McLellan - Inverness
Greer - Renfrewshire
Manson - Aberdeen & Orkney
Simpson - Hereford, Devon, etc.
Flett - Orkney
Chisholm - Scotland
Wishart - Orkney
Shand - Aberdeen
Pirie - Aberdeen

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Re: WAGNER, Mary Ann-born Staten Is. America
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 03 May 11 05:33 BST (UK) »
Cheers Nick. I had no idea.
Sally

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Re: WAGNER, Mary Ann-born Staten Is. America
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 03 May 11 11:12 BST (UK) »
You can see the locations here:  https://www.familysearch.org/locations

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Re: WAGNER, Mary Ann-born Staten Is. America
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 03 May 11 21:36 BST (UK) »
I haven't been able to open that site for the last couple of days..Hopefully it will be up and running again soon.

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Re: WAGNER, Mary Ann-born Staten Is. America
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 04 May 11 16:52 BST (UK) »
Can't really see a 17 year old girl emigrating from the US to NZ all by herself.

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/
 - there is a Carl Frederick Wagner, parents John and Margaret, who was born in 1879
 - he may have died in 1886, "Frederick Carl" - a John aged 46 died the same year.

paperspast.natlib.govt.nz - shows him in 1886 if you search for "Margaret Wagner" - listed as their only son. Resident Rangiora. He died September and John, husband of Margaret Wagner, of Rangiora, died November (drowned).  The inquest was reported: it describes him as leaving a "wife and two little girls"

Papers past also shows a marriage in 1900 for Honora, "Nora", "youngest daughter of the late J. Wagner, Rangiora", and some school mentions of a Mary Ann Wagner who was at a Catholic school there in 1888/9

https://www.familysearch.org/ has NZ immigration lists.
Arriving on the ship Wanganui, in 1878, and listed as from Kerry:
John Wagner, farm labourer, 35
Marg???, 34
Mary, 2
Honora (Honoria?), 1 month

I wonder if possibly they (or John? - Margaret may have been already there) travelled to US, didn't like it, went back to Ireland, and then thought they'd have a go at NZ?

Nora had at least two children with her husband, Cornelius Allen, but he was in trouble with the law in the early 1900s (drunkeness, theft), before dying suddenly at the age of 37 in 1912.

NZ Archways shows a divorce case in 1905 for Nora and Cornelius - can't work out where she and the kids went from there.
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Re: WAGNER, Mary Ann-born Staten Is. America
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 04 May 11 21:54 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that jorose,
I had this family as the likely one until I saw Staten island on the wedding certificate. It would make my Mary Ann married and dying after giving birth at only 14.