Modified! Did Robert Whyte marry at 14 yrs old?

[safarina]

Thank you Janie,

This is sure  helping me put some of the family picture together.

I guess this is the application  itself? It doesn't seem to be written out as detailed as  the other one was but all the info is on it.

This event happened in 1866.  Doesn't sound like Henry was a very nice fellow....

I wonder what the family did after that.   I wonder if Christina could be found on the 1871 census.   She would maybe be the head of the household or even remarried. The son Robert at 15 ran away from home, but Christina and at least the 3  other children should be found ( Margaret, Janet and Henry) somewhere in Govan.

Dorothy

[maclennan25]

do these belong in your tree??

ISOBEL WHITE 
  Female     
 Birth:  21 AUG 1821   Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
  Father:  ROBERT WHITE   
  Mother:  CHRISTIAN GILMOUR 

ANN WHITE 
  Female     
 Birth:  28 MAY 1823   Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
  Father:  ROBERT WHITE 
  Mother:  CHRISTIAN GILMOUR 

CHRISTINA WHITE 
  Female     
 Birth:  15 NOV 1832   Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
  Father:  ROBERT WHITE 
  Mother:  CHRISTIAN GILMOUR 

JANET WHYTE 
  Female     
 Christening:  24 DEC 1834   Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
  Father:  ROBERT WHYTE 
  Mother:  CHRISTIAN GILMOUR 

AGNES WHITE 
  Female     
 Birth:  29 OCT 1837   Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
  Father:  ROBERT WHITE 
  Mother:  CHRISTIAN GILMOUR     
 
ROBERT WHITE 
  Male     
 Christening:  19 OCT 1840   Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
  Father:  ROBERT WHITE
  Mother:  CHRISTIAN GILMOUR

there are big gaps here, so there are probably a few more in there somewhere 

also found the following in the 1881 census and thought you might find it interesting......


Dwelling:   Eastwood 211 E Clyde St
   Census Place:   Row, Dumbarton, Scotland
   Source:   FHL Film 0203553     GRO Ref    Volume 503    EnumDist 13    Page 8
   Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
John Gilmour WHYTE   M   45    M   Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
   Rel:   Head
   Occ:   Surgeon Dentist
Christina WHYTE   M   44    F   Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
   Rel:   Wife
Mary Ann WHYTE   U   15    F   Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
   Rel:   Daur
   Occ:   Scholar
Elizabeth WHYTE   U   13    F   Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
   Rel:   Daur
   Occ:   Scholar
Christina WHYTE   U   12    F   Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
   Rel:   Daur
   Occ:   Scholar
Johanna WHYTE   U   10    F   Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
   Rel:   Daur
   Occ:   Scholar
John WHYTE   U   8    M   Govan, Renfrew, Scotland
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Scholar
Robert WHYTE   U   7    M   Govan, Renfrew, Scotland
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Scholar
Adam WHYTE   U   5    M   Helensburgh, Dunbarton, Scotland
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Scholar
Margaret Park WHYTE   U   3    F   Helensburgh, Dunbarton, Scotland
   Rel:   Daur
Janet Gilmour WHYTE   U   1    F   Helensburgh, Dunbarton, Scotland
   Rel:   Daur
Mary ROSS   U   23    F   Banff, Banff, Scotland
   Rel:   Servt
   Occ:   Domestic Servt
Jane ARROLL   U   20    F   Helensburgh, Dunbarton, Scotland
   Rel:   Servt
   Occ:   Domestic Servt


kind regards,
Lorna.

[maclennan25]

and just in case they are related....

JOHN GILMOUR WHYTE 
  Spouse:  CHRISTINA GOWANS
  Marriage:  01 JUN 1865   Tradeston, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
 
 
MARY ANN WHYTE 
  Female   
 Birth:  03 MAR 1866   Govan, Lanark, Scotland
  Father:  JOHN GILMOUR WHYTE   
  Mother:  CHRISTINA GOWANS 

ELIZABETH WHYTE 
  Female   
 Birth:  26 MAY 1867   Govan, Lanark, Scotland
  Father:  JOHN GILMOUR WHYTE 
  Mother:  CHRISTINA GOWANS     
 
CHRISTINA GOWANS WHYTE 
  Female     
 Birth:  11 JAN 1869   Govan, Lanark, Scotland
  Father:  JOHN GILMOUR WHYTE
  Mother:  CHRISTINA GOWANS 

JOHANNA YOUNG WHYTE 
  Female     
 Birth:  27 OCT 1870   Govan, Lanark, Scotland
  Father:  JOHN GILMOUR WHYTE   
  Mother:  CHRISTINA GOWANS 

JOHN YOUNG WHYTE 
  Male     
 Birth:  05 SEP 1872   Govan, Lanark, Scotland
  Father:  JOHN GILMOUR WHYTE 
  Mother:  CHRISTINA GOWANS 

ROBERT WHYTE 
  Male     
 Birth:  04 DEC 1873   Govan, Lanark, Scotland
  Father:  JOHN GILMOUR WHYTE 
  Mother:  CHRISTINA GOWANS     

kind regards,
Lorna.

[safarina]

Yes, thank you, these are in our Tree. The John Gilmour Whyte would be another sibling of all the ones below born to Robert & Christian (Gilmour) Whyte.

The Christina White b.1832 was married July 14, 1854 to our great grandfather Henry Nicol.

Henry & Christina split up about 1866 when he was in prison for ? (their last child was born 1867)  Their first child (our grandfather) Robert White Nicol b. July10, 1855 ran away at 15 yrs of age abt 1870...He dropped the name Nicol and we then became descendants of  the name "White"

Now, I'm trying to find g-grandmother Christina on 1871, 1881 census with some of the children. She may be found as Christina Nicol, or her maiden name Whyte/White or by a remarried name?? Children would be Nicol: Christina Nicol 1856, Janet Nicol 1857, Margaret Ramsay Nicol 1860 & Henry Nicol 1867. She died sometime before 1889?

Dorothy

[kenjo]

Hi Safarina,
Hope you don't mind, but I bought you a certificate.
It is the Death of Christina Nicol. maiden surname White.
she died 1874.
If you would like the certificate send me a private email, with your email address, and I will JPEG it to you.
Just so you learn how to do it.
I went to scotlandspeople,
and put in the deaths,
chr*  wh?t*
from 1866 to 1890.
and to narrow down the field, I said Lanark,
[this brought up 35matches]
so to narrow down the field to one page,
I put age 30yrs to 100.
and the reply was, 25 matches, so I bought the page.
I went down the list, till I found a suitable,
and then went back to search for deaths,
and put the same suitable match which was,
Christina,  41yrs, High Church, Lanark.
and in the surname, I put Ni*.
and it said YES, match.
so went back to Previous searches,
and went into the death search as before, that i bought, and when it opened up, bought the match.
Doing it theis way is the cheapest, way.
1 credit for search page, and 5 credits, for certificate.

[I am telling you all this, because, I got into trouble, with copyrite, for posting the indexes.]
Good luck,
I found it a very entertaining and informative, tread.
kenjo

[safarina]

Kenjo,

Thank you so much....I have sent my address to you and am anxious to receive the certificate.

I am so grateful for people that are willing to help each other. I wish I could get into that site myself, but  I lack the requirements for access.

If Christina died in 1874, I guess the only census left to find her on would now be the 1871 with any family in the household.

Dorothy

[JAP]

<snip>
Here's my confusion: 
 
Christina's father Robert Whyte was born Mar 10, 1806 and christened Mar 16, 1806 Kinnettles, Angus, Scotland  (he m. Christian Gilmour)

The marriage dates we have (Oct 22, 1820, and also Nov 17, 1820) would have made Robert Whyte only 14 years old when he married?  Is this possible, and where would I be able to find out if either of these dates are valid? I can't find them on any of the census that are available to me.

Dorothy, one of the marriage entries in the IGI (17 Nov) is an extracted entry transcribed from the parish register.  You could order in the film of the relevant parish to your nearest Latter Day Saints Family History Centre and see the full entry.  It may well not contain any more information - but, unless you look at it, you won't know.

The other entry (22 Oct) is an entry submitted by a member of the LDS; these need to be treated with care.

However, the confusion of dates may simply be because banns were called before the marriage - so there can be several dates associated with a marriage record in a parish register.

Yes, it is possible (though unlikely) that Robert could have married at the age of 14.  Marriage (parental consent was not needed) was legal (though not usual) at the time in Scotland for males at age 14 and females at age 12.

However, are you quite sure that you have the correct birth and christening for Robert?  How do you know that the Robert born and baptized in 1806 in Kinettles is the same person as the Robert married in 1820 in Glasgow?

JAP

[safarina]

JAP,

Thanks for the interest and help...

Explanation of what we understand to be:

Our Henry Nicol b abt 1832 married Christina White b. 1832...who was the daughter of Christian Gilmour married Nov 17, 1820 to Robert Whyte b. Mar 10, 1806....and this Robert Whyte was the son of Robert Whyte and Janet Ramsay, both born in the 1780's (both Robert's and Janet were born in Kinnettles, Angus, Scotland)

The family shown in below post with Isobel being born in 1821 also shows that the 1820 marriage would make the father Robert b. 1806 very young.

The confusion of his young age remained because the dates for birth/ christening and the marriage are from Parish records.

Dorothy

[safarina]

 Kenjo
Thank you for the mail and the added comments later.
I saved the JPEG and now have it printed out for my files.

This helps to answer some questions as to whether Christina was still the wife or if rumors of a 2nd marriage took place.. It looks like she was still married to Henry Nicol at the time of her death.

It's funny how stories change and become distorted as they are passed down through the generations.....a story of remarriage had sent me off on a wild goose chase!!

We understood that the son Robert 'White' Nicol b. 1855 had run away from home to get away from his step-father in 1870??  Now, I wonder if it was his own father (abusive possibly) he ran away from, or if another man was in the picture for awhile....We may never know the answer to this one...

Thanks again for your help,

Dorothy