Devaney from somewhere in Ireland

[Devaney1886]

This has been my brick wall for 8 years 

My Great Great Grandfather was one Thomas Devaney, born in Ireland around 1856. My first sighting of him is in 1881 where he is single, and working in a pub.

In 1882 he married my Gt Gt Grandmother, Annie Morgan in Liverpool. Father's name on the marriage certificate is Patrick Devaney, deceased, Licensed Victualler.
Thomas and Annie had 4 children: Michael, John Patrick, Mary Gertrude and Joseph.

In the 1891 census Thomas is working in a pub in Cheshire, while Annie and the children are still at home in Liverpool.
Later on in 1891 Thomas died in Liverpool workhouse [TB]

I have no idea when Thomas came over from Ireland, or if his Father Patrick came too, nor who is Mother was.
Family hearsay has it they were from Mayo, but I have no concrete evidence of this, and actually despair of even ever finding a county for him.
Can only hope that some one has come across them in their own research and knows a bit more.
Many thanks for any help

[fifer1947]

What was his age in 1881, 1891 and death certificate?

[fifer1947]

Is that him in Liverpool age 35 at death in 1891?

[Devaney1886]

Yes, that's him. He was 25 in the 1881. I can't access his death cert at this moment as it's in a box under my little boy's bed whose asleep.
I'm quite sure it was 35 on that too

[fifer1947]

There are 3 Thomas' with father Patrick Devaney in a 5 year +- of 1856 on RootsIreland, but only one with the exact spelling.  Sorry I've no credits to look further.

Devany    Thomas    1853    Co. Roscommon   
Devaney    Thomas    1860    Co. Leitrim   
Devany    Thomas    1852    Co. Tipperary   

[Devaney1886]

That's a start, thank you so much for taking the time to look, may have to invest in some credits!

How much detail is the record likely to give? For example: Father's occupation, mother's maiden name, Sponsors? etc.

I think this is what's so frustrating is that I don't think I'm ever going to be able to say " Yep, that's mine for certain'

Again thank you for your time

[shanew147]

you need to know where your Devaney family came from to start a proper search for records since not all a prishes have details, and you would have no way of knowing if a particular Patrick Devaney was 'yours' or not.  RootsIreland doesn't cover all parts of Ireland and leaves out two of the largest population centres - i.e. Cork and Dublin cities.

see : Introduction to Irish Records
        My Ancestor came from Ireland - where do I start?

The details included on parish records vary over time, and from parish to parish, but in general if the family were Catholic a baptism record would show name of child, date of baptism, parents full names, and probably sponsors (godparents) names.

A Church of Ireland baptism record for this time may include father's occupation, but would not show mother's maiden name.



Shane

[Devaney1886]

Hi thanks for your input, not even having a county to start searching in is nightmare. I had actually given up for a couple of years as it seemed such a hopeless task.

I've spent hours today trawling through Slater's in the hope that a Patrick Devaney running a pub would leap out at me. 

Again thanks for your time [they were Catholic]

[shanew147]

.....
In 1882 he married my Gt Gt Grandmother, Annie Morgan in Liverpool. Father's name on the marriage certificate is Patrick Devaney, deceased, Licensed Victualler.
.....

Someone who runs a pub is a Vintner... a Victualler is different...  a bit like a butcher or grocer


Shane