Swindaniah Brown

[trish1120]

I can see no Census with Charles Edmund Nicholas with a wife Swindaniah.

What child of theirs are you descended from?
When/where were they born?

There is a Charles born c 1865 Newport but his wife was Florence Adelaide nee Thomas

1881 this is the Census you refer too?
William Brown 37 Head General Labourer born Shears House, Gloucestershire
Sarah Brown 39   Wife
Swendaneah ? Brown   14 Daughter Scholar born Llanbaddock, Monmouth****
Alice Brown 13   Daughter

1891 that I found

Newport, Monmouthshire
John Williams 65 Head
Swindanish Williams   23   Daughter-in-law Mar born Llangattock, Monmouthshire

2 Sept 1890 Marriage Regs;

Newport M    11a   351
BROWN    Swindaniah
Brown    Swindanian       
Duan    Emma       
Lloyd    Benjamin Griffiths   
NICHOLLS    Charles Edmund       
WILLIAMS    William

Newport M    11a   354    
ARUNDELL    William       
Nicholls    Charles Edmund       
THOMAS    Florence Adelaide       
WILLIAMS    Elizabeth Jane

[davdwill]

My relative is Vashti Nicholls, born 1914 Monmouthshire, her mother is Swindaniah Brown who married Charles Edmund Nicholls, they married in 1890 Newport Monmouthshire, marriage quarter 3, 11A, as you have also found, Vashti married a Fred Roberts in 1933, Swindaniah Brown also appears in the 1871 census as Surndina Brown, thanks for looking

[Cas (stallc)]

Hi davdwill, maybe best to try trace back what you know and see if you can find a connection.

Possible Marriage Sep Q 1865   same page
Brown    William        Pontypool    11a   155    
Evans    Sarah        Pontypool    11a   155    

Births Mar Q 1868   
Brown    Alice Mary   mmn Evans     Newport, M    11a 163

1911 married Alice Mary Lewis has her parents with her.

Possible 1861 for William   

Piece:   401, Folio: 39, Page number: 21
Civil Parish, Llanfrechva Lower, Monmouthshire
Registration district:   Pontypool 

William Brown 45   Head, Gardner, Horsley, Gloucestershire
Mary A Brown 50   Wife, Stonehouse, Gloucestershire
William Brown   18   Son, Stonehouse Gloucestershire

Added: Cannot locate birthreg for Swindaniah

Cas

[davdwill]

With the name, Swindaniah Brown, thought that was going to be the easy path! Didn't think for one minute I'b find two! Yes will go off and back track on some other parts of the family, thanks

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Do you have a clear paper trail leading back to Swindaniah? Previous posts seem pretty clear that the 1890  Swindaniah Brown marriage wasn't to Mr Nicholls. The birth being 24 years after the marriage isn't unknown, but is pretty unusual

I am more inclined to go for this marriage for Vashti's parents

Marriages Sep-Dec 1908
Crickhowell    Voll 11b p228   
BROWN    Mabel Kate          
NICHOLS    William        
WILLIAMS    William Marfell   
YOUNG    Beatrice Ellen        

It might be worth investing in a copy of the 1921 census record for Vashti. The other people with the surname Nicholls in the same parish very much point to the couple above

[trish1120]

Hi davdwill.

NICHOLS, WILLIAM  EDWARD mmn BROWN*** 
GRO Reference: 1910  D Quarter in BEDWELLTY  Volume 11A  Page 76

I cant post 1911 Census for copyright reasons but William and Mabel Nichols have a Son Willie age 6 mths.

Birth Reg as above.

Vashti is reg same district 1914, mmn Brown.
1939 she is born 2 Jan 1914 and death reg the same

You either have to get the M/C of Fred/Vashti to confirm her Fathers name/occp or the best one would be to get her Birth Cert which will have her Mothers maiden name also.

Your Vashti I am really sure has a Mother Mabel, not Swindaniah

Trish

[davdwill]

Thank you all, 1921 cencus does show vashti with mabel, so looks like I've lead myself and everyone else up the garden path, must have had some filters on when I first searched as it was the only Brown/Nicholls I could find appoligies to everyone who's spent time searching

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Thank you all, 1921 cencus does show vashti with mabel, so looks like I've lead myself and everyone else up the garden path, must have had some filters on when I first searched as it was the only Brown/Nicholls I could find appoligies to everyone who's spent time searching

I guess you may have been searching Monmouthshire, when their marriage was registered as Crickhowell in Brocknockshire (as it then was) which people don't realise also covered places like Brynmawr and Beaufort.  I've done it in the past!

[trish1120]

There is no need to apologize.

That is why we like to help here on Rootschat so that we can help people follow the right Family Line.


Al the best and if you need any more help just ask.

Trish
(in Sydney)