Ellis Dudley born abt 1783 and Mary Blakeney born abt 1786, Skibbereen

[celtic liberty]

The Dudleys ( also from Rosemary Ffoliotts' newspaper index

DUDLEY
21 Feb 1817 on Saturday in Bandon, Ann Dudley aged 19  ( death)

3rd June 1799 yesterday at St. Anne's church, Mr.Thomas Harman
to Miss Deborah Dudley of Roscrea  ( which is in Co. Tipperary)

29 July 1805 last week in Mallow Lane occasioned by a fall from his horse, Mr Gilfard Dudly

26 Sept 1801 at Roscrea Co Tipperary Mr. John Dudley an eminent
tanner, on of the Society of Quakers.

5 Dec 1807 on Tuesday last at Upper Shandon by the Rev Mr Lea
Mr. John Dudley to Miss Margaret Fisher, both of this City.

?? Dec 1807  On Sunday last in Waterford Mr. John Dudley aged 30
years, had resided in Kinsale as professor of French .....

28 Dec 1804 Tuesday last at Patrick's church Waterford,
William Moore Burchell Esq. eldest son of John Burchell Esq.,
of same city to Miss Dudley.

20 Nov 1771 married a few days ago at Corke, Mr. Robert Dudley
clothier aged 36 to the widow Shine aged 84
( No error in the ages!!!!!)

That's it some unusual ages there !!
Did you  notice John Blakeney died Skibbereen aged 114 which would mean that he was born about 1692!!!!

These Dudleys were Church of Ireland and well to do as only
the Gentry in the early 1800's would place notices of births,
marriages or deaths.

The reference to Upper Shandon above is more than likely a
reference to St Anns Shandon ( Church of Ireland).  Records
not held at the church.   

Have a look at the OKief Coshe Mang index to see if any
parishes jump out at you!!

Mary
Celtic Liberty.

[Sonas]

Their son George is listed on the 1851 census as being born Skibbereen c 1828. He should be listed on the Irish Genealogy site if they were RC. I would guess these people are not RC.

[kit54]

Hi Celtic Liberty/Mary,

I am truly humbled by your tremendous and extremely kind efforts on my behalf; I will reply properly soon, but, please, I need to do a little more research, before I do.

Hi Sonas,
Thank you very much for that - I originally had it written down as Skibbereen, but it got missed out during the typing!  Apologies! I'm very glad that you took the trouble to point it out - you have come up  with a really good point.

Kindest regards to you both,

Chris

[kit54]

Hi Celtic Liberty/Mary,

I'd just like to thank you once again for your exceptional kindness - the wonderful help and info that you have given to me has been very eagerly received.
The notion I had of the alphabetical name index in the Casey collection came from (amongst others) Ray Marshall's article on the Casey collection.
I have revisited my notes etc. and now wonder if the evidence for the 1809 marriage (Ellis Dudley and Mary Blakeney) came from Vol IV of this collection, which apparently contains (pages 203 - 277) an Index of Marriages 1716 - 1844 for the Diocese of Cork and Ross.
Assuming that it did come from this, please can you (or anyone else) tell me if there would be any more info available in this volume, or is it just the Index that survived? I have assumed that they were RC because of the fact that the marriage was mentioned in this parish.
Finally, the fact that you have so kindly searched St Mary's and St Anne's for me, coupled with the fact that I have searched SS Peter and Paul and Cork South parish online, leads me to the conclusion that this marriage did not take place in Cork City, as I cannot find another parish there with records that go back to 1809. So, I am assuming that it took place in one of the handful of parishes in SW Cork with records that do go back that far (Bandon, Lislee, Ardfield and Rathberry, Bantry and Schull East). The problem is trying to narrow it down!

Thanks again for your tremendous kindness,

Chris

[celtic liberty]

You are welcome. 

I am sure if there would be more information in the index.  I have a feeling from
previous look ups that it might only be the names of the bride and groom, although
some records in the OKCM volumes give much more details. 

I will go to the library during the week, and see what it contains.

A nice sunny day here in Cork so am going to make the most of it.

Will be in touch next week
Mary

[celtic liberty]

I meant to add that I looked up the Quaker ( Society of Friends ) records
last Friday looking for Bewleys for another rootschatter and I did come
across a lot of Dudleys.   NO Blakeneys though.  I thought I had got close!!

The Quaker records were for Cork City, Bandon and Youghal the main
locations where the Quakers lived.

Mary

[kit54]

Hi Mary,

YOU ARE A SAINT! You have no idea how FANTASTIC that would be and how grateful I would be - if it is in the index and there is no further detail, then at least I will be able to say that that is that.

PS I don't suppose that when you looked up the quaker records, you noted down the Dudleys that you came across? It's just that I would be interested, if for no other reason than elimination purposes.

Chris

[celtic liberty]

Hi again Chris,

Surely you don't think I would go to the library and come across some
information that might help some Rootschatter and NOT write it down!!!
Only joking, of course I wrote it down!!
I only took down the deaths,  I don't recall any marriages or births but will
check again during the week.

Deaths
Quakers Cork City
17.3.1833  Susanna aged 18 dau of John
29.3.1834  John aged 2 months son of Joshua
6.6.1835    Rebecca aged 52 wife of Guilford
22.1.1837   Guilford aged 49
15.6.1838   Margaret Dudley  age 50 wife of John
10.4.1840   Margaret Dudley aged 16 dau of John
20.1.1849   John Dudley  65, Accountant

Quaker deaths Youghal Co Cork
1812  Dudley Susanna wife of Joshua
12.4.1818  Hannah Dudley

That's it , I will recheck for any marriages or births.

Mary
Celtic Liberty

[Sonas]

Hi Celtic Liberty/Mary,

I'd just like to thank you once again for your exceptional kindness - the wonderful help and info that you have given to me has been very eagerly received.
The notion I had of the alphabetical name index in the Casey collection came from (amongst others) Ray Marshall's article on the Casey collection.
I have revisited my notes etc. and now wonder if the evidence for the 1809 marriage (Ellis Dudley and Mary Blakeney) came from Vol IV of this collection, which apparently contains (pages 203 - 277) an Index of Marriages 1716 - 1844 for the Diocese of Cork and Ross.
Assuming that it did come from this, please can you (or anyone else) tell me if there would be any more info available in this volume, or is it just the Index that survived? I have assumed that they were RC because of the fact that the marriage was mentioned in this parish.
Finally, the fact that you have so kindly searched St Mary's and St Anne's for me, coupled with the fact that I have searched SS Peter and Paul and Cork South parish online, leads me to the conclusion that this marriage did not take place in Cork City, as I cannot find another parish there with records that go back to 1809. So, I am assuming that it took place in one of the handful of parishes in SW Cork with records that do go back that far (Bandon, Lislee, Ardfield and Rathberry, Bantry and Schull East). The problem is trying to narrow it down!

Thanks again for your tremendous kindness,

Chris

The composition of Cork dioceses (RC and Church of Ireland) has changed through the centuries. In 1809 when this marriage is said to have taken place, Skibbereen was part of the
1. RC diocese of Cloyne and Ross; and the
2. C of I diocese of Cork and Ross

As marriage place and birth of one child are given as Skibbereen, the C of I records there (and those of other denominations) would seem the place to start. I don't think it's a good idea to base research on the current composition of dioceses.