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Re: George Richards & Elizabeth Hartop
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 02 July 11 13:37 BST (UK) »
From the Admon & Inventory of Sarah Fisher who died intestate in 1806. She was the widow of Abraham Fisher who died 1789, who married her in 1783 as the widow if Thomas Hartop (died 1780) who he married as Sarah Sabey in 1771.

The estate valued no more than £450 has the Admon assigned to John Hartop of Keysoe, Yeoman, son of Sarah Fisher. The Inventory dated 22 July 1806  details all livestock (including 360 sheep or lambs at £1 each) & crops in the fields & has this closing statement. It is agreed by the children of the late Sarah Fisher that their brother John Hartop should take the effects in this inventory & that he and his brother Essex should be jointly responsible for the payment to their brethren & sisters - who do sign below.   

John Hartop,  James Hartop, Essesk Hartop.
Elizabeth Fisher, Sarah Fisher, George Fisher

The Hartop childrens' baptisms are recorded 1775, 1777 & 1779 but I cannot find the Fisher children. As Abraham was a bachelor when he married these must have been produced between 1783 & 1789. There is a marriage on 1 June 1806 of Elizabeth Fisher to James Reynolds who was one witness to the children's signing on the inventory.   
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Re: George Richards & Elizabeth Hartop
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 02 July 11 13:49 BST (UK) »
Notice that on the above Inventory there is not a mention of son Thomas Hartop, who was baptised 1772. However he does get a mention in the will of Abraham Fisher, farmer of Keysoe Row who died in 1789 where it discharges & releases & exonerates Thomas Hartop, eldest son of my wife Sarah from repayment of mortgage....& talks about 4 acres of land at Keysoe, now the property of the aforesaid Thomas Hartop as heir at law of his father Thomas Hartop of Keysoe Row, Yeoman.

So did Sarah's son Thomas die between 1789 & 1806 ? or just went away ?
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Re: George Richards & Elizabeth Hartop
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 02 July 11 14:24 BST (UK) »
From Admon dated 30 Jun 1753 of Thomas Hartop, senior who was buried 1/1/1752
Eleanor Hartupp, widow of Keysoe above the age of fourscore hereby renounce by right of Adminastring my late husband Thomas Hartup of Keysoe, husbandman, & grant letters of Admon to my only son Thomas Hartupp of Keysoe. One of the witnesses was Robert Flanders farmer, who most likely is father of Judy/ith Flanders baptised 2/8/1740, who at age 20 was first wife of the Thomas Hartop who is son of the above Thoimas Hartop.

Ellen Hartop was buried 13/4/1757 & was the Ellen Smith who married Thomas H on 6/4/1700. 
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Re: George Richards & Elizabeth Hartop
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 02 July 11 14:30 BST (UK) »
From Admon dated 18/6/1757 of Thomas Hartop who was buried 17/3/1757
To appease provisionally Sarah Hartop of Keysoe, she is widow & next of kin of Thomas Hartop late of Keysoe, husbandman, who died intestate.

There is a subsequent marriage of Sarah Hartop, widow of Keysoe to John Sinkfield, widow at Thurleigh on 16 Aug 1763
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Re: George Richards & Elizabeth Hartop
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 02 July 11 14:33 BST (UK) »
From Admon dated 18/4/1780 of Thomas Hartop of Keysoe who was buried 7/2/1780 & died intestate.
The estate of £300 to Sarah Hartop of Keysoe, widow
Witnesses William Peppercorn, farmer of Bolnhurst and William Sabey, famer of Keysoe
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Re: George Richards & Elizabeth Hartop
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 02 July 11 14:43 BST (UK) »
So the Elizabeth Hartop (1762) who married George Richards was illegitimate daughter of Mary Hartop (1741) who married Francis Elms,  who was daughter of Thomas Hartop (1710) & wife Sarah unknown. This Thomas being only son of Thomas Hartop (c 1670) & wife Ellen Smith. 

Thomas Hartop & Sarah ? also had son Thomas (c 1738) who first married Judith Flanders & then Sarah Sabey; and had son Essex (c 1739) who married Elizabeth Urin, widow at Cardington in 1763.

Enough for now.
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Re: George Richards & Elizabeth Hartop
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 10 November 13 00:11 GMT (UK) »
Going over my notes and trying to clarify some things I found this old thread.

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But IF Essex and Mary (Hartop) were siblings then could Elizabeth have gone to stay with her uncle, rather than live with her stepfather and his new wife, after the death of her mother?
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Essex Hartop age 77 was buried at Cardington on 9 Feb 1813
There was also an Essick Hartop living in Keysoe in the 1803 Muster List, unmarried Class 1 ie aged between 17 and 30. He was baptised in Keysoe on 3 Oct 1779, son of Thomas & Sarah. Not sure what he's got to do with the price of bananas!
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I wonder if Essex Hartop from Cardington may have also lived in Colmworth and also married Mary Jordon at Elstow Beds and had a son with Mary in Cardington before he was buried there in 1813?

Essex and his wife Elizabeth Urine  née Billen married in Cardington on 29 March 1763, with children baptised in Cardington
Thomas Hartop bap Mar 1764, Mary Hartop bap Jul 1765 , Joseph Hartop bap Sep 1766, Pheobe Hartop bap Sep 1766.

Was Essex later in Colnworth?
Joseph Billing Hartop bap May 1772 Colnworth s of Essex and Elizabeth
NB Essex Hartop wife Elizabeth nee Billen. This son Joseph had the given name of Billing, was this from his mothers maiden name?

Did Essex move briefly back to Colmworth. Is this the reason Essex left Colmworth?;
Essex Hartop a Farmer of Colmwowrth committed to Debtors Cells 4 Jan 1772 discharged 4 Apr 1772.

This could not be Essex born 1779 the son of Thomas and Sarah Hartop. Perhaps a different Essex Hartop but surely there cannot be too many with a name like that! And with the baptism of Joseph Billing Hartop in Colnworth???

Is there a burial for Elizabeth Hartop in Colnworth or Cardington from 1772-1793?
Did Essex remarry before he died in 1813 aged 77?

Essex Hartop married Mary Jordon 24 Dec 1793 at Elstow Beds
Then Joseph Hartop bap 1794 Cardington s of Essex and Mary.


The other Essex Hartop the son of Thomas Hartop and Sarah Sabey was bap in 1779 at Keysoe.
As you said he was unmarried on the Muster list in Keysoe in 1803 so did not marry Mary Jordan in 1793 (and he would have been too young)

BUT Essex Hartop born 1779 Keysoe however could have married;
Essex Hartop bach otp married Ann Tilsley spins married 16 Oct 1810 Cripplegate London (The Dissenters Registration for births was in Cripplegate were Essex brother John of Keysoe registered the births of his children) both make their marks the witness were William Sutton and Sarah Sutton both signed

Did Essex die;
Essex Hartopp of Royal Hill aged 49 born 1780 (age agrees with baptism in Keysoe) buried 24 Dec 1829 at Greenwich St Alphege.
In 1841 living in Greenwich is Ann Hartop born 1781 Not Kent with her son George? Was she Essex Hartops widow?
Did they also have a son John Hartop bap 1811 Greenwich Kent s of Essex and Ann


Back to the elder Essex Hartop
If Essex Hartop buried at Cardington was aged 77 in 1813 he was born 1736. If Thomas Hartop was born 1838 and Mary Hartop was born 1741 they were similar ages. Perhaps as you suggest they were siblings.

Strangely, although I have a note of a baptism for Mary Hartop on 29 March 1741 at Keysoe d Thomas and Sarah (who married Francis Elms) I could not find this on IGI. Do you have this baptism?

Thos Hartop farmer of Keysoe aged 36 (born 1735) married Sarah Seaby and named a son Essex in 1779
I could not find a baptism for Thomas Hartop born 1735 Keysoe but do have;
William Hartop s of Thomas and Sarah bap 28 Oct 1735 at Keysoe Beds. Is this a mistranscription?


Maybe Essex Hartop’s 1736 baptism is hiding in the same place as the other baptisms!?! Perhaps in Colmworth if he farmed there!

I notice that Thomas Hartop (1735) first marriage to Judith Flanders was on 18 Feb 1760 at Keysoe Beds which was the same day as Sarah Hartop married John Combs. Was Sarah Hartop a spinster and perhaps Thomas Hartops sister or if she was a widow perhaps this is the marriage of Thomas Hartop’s widowed mother (if she was Sarah)?

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Re: George Richards & Elizabeth Hartop
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 10 November 13 07:58 GMT (UK) »
Is there a burial for Elizabeth Hartop in Colnworth or Cardington from 1772-1793?

Burials taken from the NBI are indexed on Findmypast at http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/parish-records/baptisms  If an age is given on the NBI it's shown on FindMyPast but other than that there's no other detail on FindMyPast so not worth buying credits.
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: George Richards & Elizabeth Hartop
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 10 November 13 08:18 GMT (UK) »
Strangely, although I have a note of a baptism for Mary Hartop on 29 March 1741 at Keysoe d Thomas and Sarah (who married Francis Elms) I could not find this on IGI. Do you have this baptism?
It's in the member submitted section of the IGI rather than the extracted part. Doubtless the extracted entry was deleted when the LDS had a clean up, thus debasing the IGI - per
"Community Contributed IGI (Personal family information submitted to the LDS Church)
For a short period of time duplication in the IGI was reduced by removing records from the indexed data when these records were submitted by the community. To do an exhaustive search for your ancestor you should choose to search the Community Contributed IGI and follow the process outlined on the Family Search Wiki IGI page to determine if the record you find was part of an indexed collection."
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell