George Richards & Elizabeth Hartop

[Hemmum]

Davis. Thanks for the clarification and information regarding the IGI. What a mess! Are we not allowed to do our own research?

Is there a burial for Elizabeth Hartop in Colnworth or Cardington? Did Essex remarry before he died?

There is a burial of Elizabeth Hartop buried 18 Dec 1789 Cardington Beds, which is after the baptism in 1772 at Colmworth of Joseph Billing Hartop
and before the marriage in 1793 at Elstow of Essex Hartop to Mary Jordan.
A Joseph Hartop was buried 10 May 1792 in Cardington who may have been the son of Essex and Elizabeth
and which may be why Essex Hartop and Mary named their son Joseph in 1794.

Perhaps Essex Hartop a Farmer was originally from the Colmworth area ?
There is no baptism for Essex Hartop abt 1736 s of Thomas and Sarah (their marriage has not been found).

On the IGI Hartop Tree, baptisms are given for William in 1735, Sarah 1736 and then Mary in 1741, James in 1742, Eleanora 1744 and Elizabeth 1746.

Thomas Hartops baptism date is not on the IGI submitted tree. Thomas has an estimated birth abt 1738 from his burial he was born about 1736.

If a baptism had not been found for Thomas I suspect that as he was in the Keysoe area when he married Judith and his name was Thomas it was assumed that he was the son of Thomas and Sarah.

There is also not a baptism for Essex.  Essex married and had children in Cardington so the link had not been made that he was also from Bolnhurst

There is a gap of five years between 1736-1741 of the baptisms of Thomas and Sarah’s children so plenty of time for both Thomas and Essex. 
Thomas (1738) named a son Essex (was this after his brother?).
Mary’s (1741) illegitimate child Elizabeth (perhaps) went to live with Essex in Cardington.
Essex returned to Colmworth in 1772 to Farm.

Just ideas!
Although Thomas 1736 was a churchwarden at Keysoe in 1759, 60,61 and then again 1771 through to 1779
Thomas Hartop 1736 had a base son John in 1757 in Bolnhurst
His sister Mary had a base daughter Elizabeth in 1762 before she married Francis Elms 1769
Francis Elms had a base son Francis Sabey in 1767 at Bolnhurst with Mary Sabey
Thomas Hartop 2nd wife Sarah Sabey was the sister of Mary Sabey??

Oh what a complicated web they wove!!

[bedfordshire boy]

Essex returned to Colmworth in 1772 to Farm.

If he did then he was back in Cardington by 1 Jan 1782 when the census was taken. He's shown as
Essex Hartop labourer born at Kesur* age 43
Wife Elizabeth, maiden name Billen. Born at Cardington, and late widw. of William Urine. Spins linen. Age 46
Children. By her first husband
1st. Elizabeth, married at Warden. Age 27
2nd Hannah, married at Meppershall. Age 24
Children. By her present husband:
3rd. Thomas, works for Mr Whitbread. Age 17
4th. Mary age 16
5th. Phebe spins linen age 14
6th. Joseph-billen. At school by Mr Howard. Age 10

* This presumably is Keysoe, thus providing the link to north Beds

[Hemmum]

Absolutely plus

6th. Joseph-billen. At school by Mr Howard. Age 10 (born 1772)

Must have been;
Joseph Billing Hartop bap May 1772 Colnworth s of Essex and Elizabeth
Proving that Essex was Farming in Colnworth in 1772!!

[bedfordshire boy]

or labouring in Colmworth, or merely that he baptised his son in Colmworth, although the debtors prison thing does imply that he was in Colmworth.

[johnP-bedford]

I notice that Thomas Hartop (1735) first marriage to Judith Flanders was on 18 Feb 1760 at Keysoe Beds which was the same day as Sarah Hartop married John Combs. Was Sarah Hartop a spinster and perhaps Thomas Hartops sister or if she was a widow perhaps this is the marriage of Thomas Hartop’s widowed mother (if she was Sarah)?

Marriage 18/2/1760; John Coombs, widower of St Pauls Bedford to Sarah Hartop, spinster; witnesses Thomas Hartop & John Hopkins. Same day marriage of Thomas Hartop to Judith Flanders had witnesses John Coombs & Robert Flanders. Note John Hopkins was also witness to Keysoe marriage on 23/12/1767 of William Sewell of Croxton Cambs to Elenora Hartop. 

[johnP-bedford]

Strangely, although I have a note of a baptism for Mary Hartop on 29 March 1741 at Keysoe d Thomas and Sarah (who married Francis Elms) I could not find this on IGI. Do you have this baptism?

Yes it is in the Keysoe PR baptisms 29 Mar 1741 

[johnP-bedford]

The 18/12/1789 burial at Cardington is Elizabeth, wife of Essex Hartop

Elstow marriage 24/12/1793 Essex Hartop, widower of Cardington to Mary Jordan. She could be the Mary JORDING baptised Elstow 30/7/1758 daughter of Thomas & Mary. If so she would have been 35 at the marriage while Essex was 57 (based on him being 77 when he died in 1813)

Cardington marriage 29/3/1763 Essex Hartop to Elizabeth Urin, widow by licence
Previously on 25/6/1755 William Urin, widower married Elizabeth Billin by licence; and then William Urin, farmer was buried 6/5/1762. Previously on 14/4/1734 William Urin married Ann Prior, then Ann wife of William Prior was buried 12/2/1747. Elizabeth daughter of Samuel & Mary Billing, miller was baptised 31/7/1735 at Cardington.


 

[Hemmum]

John. Thank you for the information

The other link from Keysoe to the Cardington family is

In Bedford St Paul's baptisms on 23 Apr 1765 is William Coombs son of John & Sarah Coombs. They also baptised daughter Ann on 6 Feb 1763 where John's occupation is lime burner.

According to the treee on the IGI
Sarah Hartupp spinster married John Combs widower 18 Feb 1760 at Keysoe Beds witnesses Thomas Hartop & John Hopkins.
A marriage on the same day as Thomas Hartop to Judith Flanders
?
Sarah Hartop born 1736 Keysoe was the sister of Thomas 1737 who married Sarah Sabey,  Essex Hartop 1739 lived in Cardington, Mary Hartop born 1741 had the base daughter she married Francis Elms.

No further clues to my Franccis Sabey but it is good to get a 'feel' of the family