John Ives c1825. Missenden.

[supermoussi]

There is another train of thought, that the IVES line traces back to John Ives c1656 Quainton. (Buried 1716 @ Great Milton, Oxon.)  Parents John  & Margaret Ives (nee.? ? ? ).

And where b4 Quainton? Early Bucks Ives wills are:-

John   Ive    [?Great] Missenden       1489
John   Ive    Burnham       1524
John   Ive    Great Missenden       1533
John   Ive    Britwell   yeoman   1559
Edmund   Yves    Ickford       1560
Thomas   Ive    Britwell   yeoman   1582
Anthony   Ives    Ickford   husbandman   1586
Thomas   Ives    Ickford   husbandman   1592
Margery   Ives    Ickford   widow   1600

plus of course there are quite a few more Missenden wills in the 1600s.

[bucksboy]

You have it in a nutshell Supermoussi & Orpheus.   The possibilities are endless.

I have a potential living Ives relative, who has been at this for over 25 years.  So I'm not expecting miracles.  He is sure there is a link between his Oxfordshire Ives line, and mine as well as other Ives researchers. But  it's trying to find those few extra clues to tie it all down.
And as information has become a lot more accessible and more of it, I'm hoping we can find that clue.

Your help is very much appreciated, and I welcome it very much.  So thank you.

I will be in England in August for two weeks(it's not long enough  ), so I'll pop into Bucks archives to have a look at the Wills, and hopefully get copies of all of them.  In fact,I will try and find anything I can, with the name IVES attached to it.

But in the meantime I'll see what else I can find online.

Many thanks again.


Steve.

[K Rees]

I may have knowledge (very limited) of a Thomas Ives of Great Missendon recorded in a Will  written 9 Sep 1812 and proved 5 May 1813, that I have just transcribed.

Elizabeth Tomkins, spinster of Harrow on the Hill, late of Fetters Lane, London and Great Missendon, Berks. left 150 pounds to Mary Ives, wife of Thomas Ives of Great Missendon, Berks., the sole legatee.

Elizabeth Tomkins was buried 26 Apr 1813 at St. Mary, Harrow in the Parish of Harrow on the Hill, aged 57.

I am mainly interested in the relation of his wife Mary to Elizabeth Tomkins.

Keith

[behindthefrogs]

Thanks for that Orpheus.

If I take that baptism as gospel, then I am looking for a James Snr. father to James Jnr. as mentioned in the baptism record.

How about this scenario:

James IVES of Great Missenden married Mary WOOSTER at Wendover 20 Jan 1785.  They have the following children:

6 Oct 1785  Elizabeth bapt at Gt Missenden
27 Apr 1787  Ann bapt at Gt Missenden
21 Jun 1789  Sarah bapt at The Lee
10 Apr 1791  James bapt at The Lee
7 Jul 1793  John bapt at The Lee
7 Jun 1795  Thos bapt at The Lee
9 Jun 1799  William bapt at Gt Missenden
11 May 1800  Joseph bapt at Gt Missenden
2 Aug 1801  Job bapt at Gt Missenden

I have a number of relationships between my Child family and the Ives of Gt Missenden in the 19th century, nearly all butchers or bakers.  In particular Catherine Alice Child born 1835 baptised 22 Jun 1834 St Margarets Uxbridge married George Edward Ives 19 Dec 1859 at Haddington Terrace, Limehouse Stepney (George was bapt 8 Nov 1834 at Great Missenden son of Job Ives a master butcher of Road Farm Great Missenden and Sarah).
In 1881 Emma Ives age 19 and born at Great Missenden, Catherine’s daughter was living with Robert Child  baker in Aldersgate, working as a shop woman. 
In 1871 another daughter Elizabeth (6) was living in Little Missenden with her widowed grandmother Ann Child (nee Batchelor) who had previously run a bakery in Ruislip with her husband William Child.

[bucksboy]

I still have gut feeling the answer lies in the area of Princes Risborough to Wendover and Chesham, and then over to Great & Little Missenden and finally Hughenden.  A big area, I know.   Almost a Bermuda triangle.

I have two Ives lines; one in Hughenden which stops at John Ives m.1722 d.1764 and the other in Princes Risborough which stops at John Ives, Yeoman d.1724. I have always suspected that they are the same family, and that Missenden is where they came from before Hughenden and PR. Judging by the Bucks wills index it looks like they may have come from Ickford before that.

My Hughenden line has a James Ives bapt.1796 who I guess might be a candidate for yours??? I don't know what became of him, but if it is any help his parents were Joseph Ives & Martha Plumridge, and brothers William, Stephen and Daniel.

Hi SuperM.

From what I have worked out, James Ives 1796. d.1844(Hanover Sqr,) married Catherine Hall(1798). 16th Feb. 1817 @ St.Martins in the Field, Westminster.

They had 4 Children.
 
1).James -  b1818 - d1818.    Amersham, Bucks. 
2).Mary -  abt.1817 - d.1835.  Amersham, Bucks. 
3).Sarah b.1822.  Amersham, Bucks.  d.?   (But appears to be in Broomfield, Somerset, in 1861).
4).Thomas Hall Ives c1824. Amersham, Bucks.  d.1888 - Amersham, Bucks.      He married Ann Langstone (c.1822. Little Missenden) in 1860 Amersham.

They had one son,  George Albert Ives 1861. Amersham.  (d.Oct 1897. Middlesex)(His Will leaves probate to Herbert and Thomas Langstone)).

He married  Elizabeth Annie Fairweather (b1861. Dublin, Ireland). @ Holy Trinity Church, Dublin - 23 July 1884.

They had 3 children.

Albert George Ives b.15 Apr. 1888. Shepherds Bush.  (Transcribed as George Albrett Ives on some records). 
Daisy Frances Ives b.26 Apr. 1890. Sheperds Bush.
Percy Sidney Ives b. 16 Jul. 1893. Sheperds Bush.


Elizabeth Annie Ives(Widow)(Dublin)), is with Daisy & Percy in St.Albans 1911 census.


Albert George Ives 1888, had joined the Navy, by 1911, as a steward, and his service records indicate he served on some of the most well known 'Dreadnoughts' of the Navy.


Still not found my own final roots though.


Steve.

[supermoussi]

You've been a busy bee! Sorry to hear that it wasn't the right one though. C'est la vie.

[bucksboy]

You've been a busy bee! Sorry to hear that it wasn't the right one though. C'est la vie.

We all live in hope. 

I have 3 Ives trees going at the moment.......and no doubt there'll be a 4th and final one.

[bucksboy]

Hi Supermoussi, and all.

I am now sure that 'my' James Ives is the one baptised @ The Lee, Bucks.    Buried in Great Missenden, 7 Sep 1860.  Aged 70.

I have traced the other James Ives(1788. Grt. Missenden), to Wimbledon, with a host of kiddies being born there.   Wife is Susan/Sussanah ? ? ?.    No marriage found as yet.

But he is in the 1841/51/61 census, and dies in 1869.   Occ. Gardener.

Jas Ives(1794), in 1841.........James Ives 1791.(Gt.Messendon) in 1851.    And I. Ives 1788.(Pauper), Sulkinghamshire, Sprent Missinden, in 1861.

Died 1869. Kingston, Surrey.   Aged 81.   Kingston being the reg. dist. of Wimbledon.


Still a few more I's to dot, but I think I'm right........well, hopefully.


Steve.

[bucksboy]

Ok folks, I've cracked it.

James Ives & Mary Ives(nee.Channer), married at Chesham, Bucks in 1819.

4 children baptised @ Chesham(of Chartridge).

Mary - 1819.  Shows in 1851 & 1861 census, born Chesham.
Eli - 1821.   Still a bit unsure of his marriage and census returns.
Elizabeth** - 1822.  Marries James PARKER(b1820. Bledlow) in Holy Trinity Church, Bledlow, Bucks. in 1847. (Fathers name - James IVES, labourer).

Joseph - 1823.  Married Ann Harman/Harmon in 1850 P.Risborough......and then vanishes after 1851.

And finally John IVES, baptised 1826 @ Stoke Mandeville. (My chap).

**Elizabeth Parker(nee.Ives) provides the best clues.

In Bledlow in 1841 under Elizabeth HIVES.
In 1851 her p.o.b is given as Chesham.
In 1861 her p.o.b is given as Stoke.(Mandeville ??).
In 1871 her p.o.b is given as Chasterage(Chartridge), Buckinghamshire.
In 1871 her p.o.b is given as Chesham.


The confusion of all these childrens p.o.b's, would be their mothers death in 1828 in Stoke Mandeville, and then being scattered around Bledlow, and Bledlow Ridge.

James IVES 1791 (Son of James Ives & Mary Wooster), dies in the Union Workhouse @ Amersham, aged 70, of Shaking palsy(Parkinsons disease).  Buried - 7 Sep 1860 @ Gt. Missenden.


Still a few I's to dot, and T's to cross yet.


Steve.