1891 census

[shearg]

Hi All,

Just trying to help a cousin find his father on the above census, hoping to find his grandfather's name.

His name was Alf BIRCHAM who was born in 1890 in Lavenham.
If anyone could find this 1 year old on the census that would be great.

Thanks,
shearg

[wozzle]

lavenham is in suffolk not norfolk
there are only 2 alf/alfred bircham births in suffolk between 1837-1915 that i can find
one in 1909 and one in 1915
there are 4 in norfolk between 1837-1915 that i can find
1854.
1855
1872
1875
where did you get the info that he was born in 1890 in lavenham

[wozzle]

there is this however in 1901
RG13/1748/98/2
edward sillitoe age 30. b. manchester, occ. matting maker.head
rose age 38. b. lavenham. occ. horse hair weaver. wife
ivy age 1. b. lavenham. daughter
edward james age 3mnths. b. ditto. son
maud bircham age 17. b. ditto. occ. housemaid. daughter
minnie bircham age 16. b. ditto. occ. horse hair weaver. daughter
lizzie bircham age 13. b. ditto. daughter
fred bircham age 12. b. ditto. son
alfred bircham age 11. b. ditto. son
living at;59,high street,lavenham,suffolk
from this i would take it the bircham children are the children of rose but not the children of edward

[wozzle]

this makes it a bit clearer
1891
RG12/1445/109/17
charles mann age 51. b. lavenham. occ. mat maker. head
rose mann age 28. b. ditto. occ. horse hair weaver. wife
maud bircham age 7. b. ditto. step daughter
minnie bircham age 6. b. ditto. stepdaughter
elizabeth mann age 3. b. ditto. daughter
frederick mann age 2. b. ditto. son
alfred mann age 2mnths. b. ditto. son
living at;pump lane,lavenham,suffolk
reg.dist; cosford

so the birth would be under alfred mann not alfred bircham

birth index
name; alfred mann
y.o.r. 1891
qtr; jan/feb/mar
dist; cosford
vol; 4a
page; 735

[shearg]

Thank-you Wozzle for all your help.

You found the right family but now we wonder why Alfred had the last name of Mann on the 1891 census but changed to Bircham by the 1901 census. It looks like I have a bit of tracing to do between the Bircham/Mann/ Stilloe families.

Thanks again,
shearg

[wozzle]

i am wondering whether rose ever actually married charles mann or edward sillitoe ican find no marriage of a charles mann to a rose ---? or a marriage of an edward sillitoe to a rose ----?
on her death index in 1936 her name is down as rose bircham
interestingly there is no birth of a rose bircham in cosford reg dist
there is a birth of a rose long in cosford in 1863
this rose long has a sister sarah.a.long born c1856
charles mann marries a sarah long in 1879 in cosford reg dist
i think you might need sherlock holmes to figure what is going on

[wozzle]

bingo?
marr index
name; rose long
y.o.r. 1882
qtr; oct/nov/dec
dist; cosford
vol; 4a
page; 1027
on the same page; george william burcham

death index
name; george william burcham
y.o.r. 1885
qtr;apr/may/jun
dist; cosford
vol; 4a
page; 384
age at death; 31
est birth year; 1854

[wozzle]

george william burcham's parents were robert/rhoda burcham. george was born in bungay,suffolk
robert was an innkeeper in ditchingham,norfolk in 1861

[wozzle]

this gets stranger by the minute
charles mann and sarah mann are together in 1881,1891,1901 census
so the charles mann who is with rose in 1891 cannot be the same as the one who married rose's sister sarah long
also if you have a look at reply 3 i have amended it to show charles as aged 51 not 31
i am now almost certain that the charles mann whom rose is with in 1891 is in fact the father of the charles mann who marries rose's sister sarah long
so the question still remains who is alfred burchams father
if i had to bet on it it would be charles mann (the elder of the 2)