William MARKS

[bairn359]

William Richard Marks ( born 1879 / 1880 ? ) 

married Alice King Gregory in April 1913
marriage cert has him as as age 33 gardener residing Cargreen
father stated as William Marks  carpenter (deceased)

Alice was born in Pillaton (i've also worked out who her parents and grandparents were). 

Any further information on the Marks family line appreciated.

[lizdb]

FreeBMD is the first place to look , for his birth.
I see one Willaim Marks in Cornwall

Also 1881 census, which is free to search

[bairn359]

thank you for the reply and suggestion.

i searched freebmd using those years and Cornwall

none for a William Richard Marks

one William Marks born 1880 Redruth

two William Marks born 1880 Stratton, is this two people or just one?

Redruth is quite far to the west of Cargreen.
Stratton is a bit to the north from Cargreen.

I suppose Devon might also be an option as the Landulph/st.germans area is right near the border.


On searching the 1881 cenusus i thought this looked promisong, right area but the father is down as Richard

 Richard MARKS      Head      M      Male      26      St Gennys, Cornwall, England      Ag Labourer      
 Elizabeth MARKS      Wife      M      Female      23      Devonport, Devon, England            
 Thomas MARKS      Son            Male      4      St Germans, Cornwall, England            
 William MARKS      Son            Male      9 m      St Germans, Cornwall, England            
 Elizabeth HITCHINGS      Mother In Law      W      Female      60      Saltash, Cornwall, England

[lizdb]

You are right, we have no evidence he was even born in Cornwall, could have been anywhere.

SO maybe 1911 is the place to start, just 2 yrs before his marriage. Hopefully a William Marks age 31ish who is a gardener can be found, hopefully around Cargreen area.
That woud give us a place of birth to work with - and if tracing back found him with a father called William who was carpenter and who died pre 1913, then you will have your man!

[bairn359]

The jobs idea was good but it's not working out so easy.
I've tried searching 1901 and 1911 but i'm still none the wiser on which William Marks are the correct ones. 

On the bright side i found Alice K Gregory on the 1901 and 1911 census at her uncle William Henry Rowe's house in Cargreen.


I think the Elizabeth married to Richard, with a son William in the 1881 census is possibly the same Elizabeth married to a William Short on the 1891 census.
 
Another possible from the 1901 census has at Kingsand a William Marks (fisherman age 42) married to Susannah, with a son William Marks (blacksmiths apprentice age 20 born Cawsand) other children John, Florence and Frederick.

[deb usa]

Hi

I wonder if this could be William Richard Marks' dad ....

Birth;

Richard William Marks
Jun q 1854
Stratton, Cornwall
Vol 5c P 7

On the 1861 census there is a 7( b 1854) year old Richd Wm Marks b St Gennys living with his parents and siblings. This Richard fits with your 1st 1881 census with Richard married to Elizabeth:

Richard MARKS      Head      M      Male      26      St Gennys, Cornwall, England      Ag Labourer       
Elizabeth MARKS      Wife      M      Female      23      Devonport, Devon, England             
Thomas MARKS      Son            Male      4      St Germans, Cornwall, England             
William MARKS      Son            Male      9 m      St Germans, Cornwall, England             
Elizabeth HITCHINGS      Mother In Law      W      Female      60      Saltash, Cornwall, England


In 1891 we have William Marks and 1901 we have William R Marks living with his mother who has remarried and is now Elizabeth A Short. (her new husband is a William!)

Richard William Marks (bc 1855) dies in Jan q 1888  - Plympton St Mary, Devon

I wonder if the above death cert would reveal his occupation?

deb

[bairn359]

thanks for the help

The time of Elizabeths remarriage fits too

dec q 1889 Elizabeth Ann Marks m. William Henry Short 5b 685 Stoke Damerel

[bairn359]

well i hope i'm on the right track here

1901 census
1 Brockley Road Plymouth 

William H. Short head 32 Labourer H.M. Dockyard
Elizabeth wife 40
William R. Marks step-son 20 Builders Labourer
George Marks 17
Florence Marks 16
Frederick Short 10
Rosa Short 8
Charles Short 6
Robert Hitchens 47 brother-in-law

[bairn359]

Richard William Marks (bc 1855) dies in Jan q 1888  - Plympton St Mary, Devon

I wonder if the above death cert would reveal his occupation?

His occupation is stated as Labourer. Informant was his sister Elizabeth.

This appears to be him with his family on the 1861 census..
 
William Marks head M age 38 Miller and Farmer 4 acres Poundstock
Ann wife M 46 Miller's wife Poundstock
Ann dau - 9 scholar St Gennys
Richd Wm Marks son - 7 scholar St Gennys
Mary 70 aunt W idiot Poundstock
Elizabeth A - -  4 St Gennys