John Robertson, father?Completed!

[kooky]

I am investigating this family for my son-in-law.
I have his gr.gr. father, John Robertson, in Nov. 1912, age 23, marrying Mary Ann Merrilees Anderson at 1, Madeira Place, Leith, in SP. He lived at 13, Industry Lane.
His father is noted as Harry Carden Jones, seaman, deceased. His mother is Agnes Jones, MS Robertson.
Harry Carden Jones, seaman, Royal Navy, married Agnes Robertson spinster, in 1885
I cannot find a birth for John in 1889.
In the 1891 census, John D Robertson age 2 is with his mother Agnes B.Robertson, and the house holder Elizabeth Robertson, grand mother.
I have 2 problems ::)One, why is he Robertson, not Jones, Two, where is Harry Jones in 1891?
Any ideas?
Kooky

[crimea1854]

Hi

There is a Service Record for a Henry Carden Jones on the National Archives website, downloading this may answer where he was in 1891 and when he died:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=8383935&queryType=1&resultcount=4

Martin

[MonicaL]

Hi Kooky and Martin

Kooky, son John shows as born in Leith on the 1901 census entry:

Agnes R Jones 39 Rope Spinner b. Leith
John Jones 12 b. Leith

Address: 6 Sheriff Brae, Leith

There is one birth entry showing in Leith for a John Jones in 1888. three for the whole of Edinburgh area between 1888-89. Have you checked any of these?

Have you checked original images of the censuses to see whether Agnes mother (who doesn't seem to be ageing much between censuses!) is showing as still married or widowed?

Monica 

[kooky]

Thank you both!
Martin, I have looked at Henry's record quickly.No death immediately obvious!
Monica, I have run out of SP credits. Will buy some more and check the John Jones births as you suggest!
Kooky

[AMBLY]

Hi

A tree on A*y states John Robertson Carden JONES, born 10 Nov 1888 at 6 Sheriff Brae to Agnes ROBERTSON (1862-1951) & Harry Carden JONES (b abt 1859) It gives Agnes parents as John ROBERTSON & Janet DOUGAL - this family, with 8 yr old dau Agnes  are at 3 Sheriff Brae in 1871 and at 6 Sheriff Brae in 1881 with dau Agnes age 18 in the house.

I think the 1891 you've cited above is not the right one.....

In 1891:
5 Sheriff Brae, Leith (Household Schedule 15)
Head: Agnes JONES 29, Sailors wife, b Leith
Son: John JONES 2, b Leith

On Household Schedule 11, at 5 Sheriff Brae  - is her mother and brothers:
Head: Janet ROBERTSON 74, b Biggar, Lanark
Son: Thomas ROBERTSON 32, Labr Iron Works, b Leith
Son: George ROBERTSON 25, gardener's labr, b Leith
Grandson: Thomas GUTHRIE 20, gardener's labr, b Leith

Cheers
AMBLY

[MonicaL]

That 1891 entry makes more sense Ambly and leads well into the 1901 entry 

Monica

[crimea1854]

Kooky

Looking again at the service record I gave you this is prefixed ADM 139, which only takes his service up to 1873. Having looked again there is a further record that covers the period from 1873 until he left the service:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=7372185&queryType=1&resultcount=628

I should have noticed this sooner 

Martin

[kooky]

Thank you all!
I had realised the 1891 census was probably not correct.
Ambly, thanks for the 1891 census for Janet.
Martin, I will check the further record!
Kooky

[kooky]

Had a look at the tree on Ancestry. We seem to agree, apart from one line
Looks like more credits for SP needed
Kooky