Llanfihangel Crucorney marriage Michael/Jones

[RanneFraser]

Hi! I love this website, so many helpful people! I'm looking for the parents of John Michael b abt 1813 Holyhead & Rachel Jones b abt 1819 Llanwenarth.

Their marriage was registered in Abergavenny May quarter 1840 volume 26 page 49. They were living in Llanfihangel Crucorney in 1841. He was a baptist minister if that helps any.

I realize the logical thing to do would be to order the record but i'm low on cash so i thought i would give asking a shot 

Thank you either way!

[osprey]

Welcome to Rootschat!   

I guess you know what I'm going to say - you need to get that marriage cert when you can. If it was later in the century, you might find an earlier census, but the couple are already married by 1841. Your other problem is that your man is a Baptist minister. This suggests he may have been born into a Baptist family, so you wont find an infant baptism for him as Baptists don't practice that rite. He may have been baptised around the age of 15 & any surviving register may not mention his parents.

http://www.baptist.org.uk/believers-baptism/what-is-baptism.html

Have you followed the couple & their children through the census years? I can see that Rachel died between 1851 & 1861 and John remarried to a Hannah.

death reg?
Rachel Michael march qtr 1852 Chepstow vol 11a pg 3

possible remarriage
John Michael dec qtr 1853 Pontypool vol 11a pg 261 with Hannah Davey on the same page

In 1861, John & Rachel's daughter Margaret is with relatives, so that looks to be Rachel's family
Cwmmera (?), Llantilio Crossenny
William Jones head widower 80 farmer of 123 acres employing 1 labourer & 2 boys b. Llanwenarth
Benjamin son unm 41 b. Llanwenarth
Eunice dau unm 36 b. Llanwenarth
Mary dau unm 29 b. Llantilio Crossenny
William Charles Taylor visitor 24 student Baptist College b. Somerset, Bishop Lydeard
Margaret Michael niece 12 b. Llangwm
Sabina Jones 17 house servant b. Abergavenny
Cornelius Pritchard 20 carter b. Llantilio Crosenny
John Davies 13 general servant b. Llanvetherine

I suspect that niece here is used in the old fashioned sense of female relative of a younger generation and we would say grand daughter instead. I'm not finding parish baptisms for this family, so they could also be non-conformists. Finding the other children in 1861 may help with other family members.

[osprey]

the 1841 gives us William's wife and makes this couple look even more likely to be Rachel's parents & that the family are Baptists

1841 Cwmmera, Llantilio Crossenny HO107/748/8 folio 27 pg 6
William Jones 60
Eunice 55
John 25
Benjamin 20
Eunice 15
Elizabeth 14
Mary 9
James Isles(?) male servant
Mary ? female servant not born in county
Morgan Lewis 40 Baptist minister not born in county
all born in county except where noted.

There's a possible marriage in Llanwenarth of William Davies of Llanelly, Breconshire & Eunice Davies by licence 16/11/1811. You can get a copy of the licence from the National Library in Aberystwyth.

http://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=485

[RanneFraser]

Thank you so much for responding! I should have mentioned that i already did the censuses and found all of Rachel and John's children along with their families etc. I'm sorry to have wasted your time!

I also traced William and Eunice under the assumption that William was Margaret's grandfather, but i didn't want to settle on that without any actual proof. There are lots of little things that connect the two families. Rachel and John had two children named William and Eunice. William's farm was actually used as a Baptist meeting house until they built a proper chapel.

You are correct on the marriage date of William and Eunice. I have their deaths and pictures of their tombstones too.

I guess i should just bite the bullet and order a copy when i have a few extra dollars. Thank you so much for everything, i appreciate it!

[osprey]

to order certificates, use the officiial site. It's cheaper than ordering  via services advertised on genealogy sites.

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

As you're not going to be finding baptisms, your only choice is the marriage cert. Firther back, the marriage bond may also help. Do you have Eunice's father's will? Search here for Richard David in Llanwenarth.

http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon?skin=profeb&lng=en

 

[RanneFraser]

You're awesome! Thanks so much for the links. How did you figure out Eunice's father?

[osprey]

I looked for wills in Llanwenarth + the name David. There was one in the 1820s, and it said to "my daughter Unis Jones". Hoping there isn't more than one Eunice David in Llanwenarth who married a Jones...

Where are William, Eunice & Rachel buried? Finding the burial of Richard might help with his age.

[RanneFraser]

William & Eunice are buried at Llanwenarth Baptist Chapel in Govilon. I don't see any Richards though.

http://history.govilon.com/records/inscriptions/baptistchapel/display.asp?searchtype=person&person=421

Not sure about Rachel. She lived in Llangwm Uchaf so maybe somewhere around there.

[osprey]

I've had a quick look in some of the surrounding parishes, but haven't spotted her. They haven't all been transcriberd though.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monfamilies/monprts.htm

She may have been buried in Llangwm Baptist where John was minister.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MON/Llangwm/index.html