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Re: 1891 census name
« Reply #45 on: Tuesday 26 July 11 15:09 BST (UK) »
Quote from: avm228 on Tuesday 26 July 11 14:06 BST (UK)
Henry BUDD's Army service record shows his next-of-kin (when he joined up in October 1870) as his mother, Mrs L BUDD of Infirmary Road, Sheffield.  The record is definitely his as it also lists his 1880 marriage to Charlotte LEGG.  His religion is given as Wesleyan, birthplace Southampton, age (in Oct 1870) 18 years __ months. Former trade or occupation: baker. 

The reason he does not appear in the English census in 1881 is that he was serving in Bermuda from 30 October 1880 to 22 November 1883.

Do you think the next of kin was in 1870 or perhaps when he was discharged in 1889?
Benson (London), Budd (London), Tilbury (Surrey), Norman (Cambs), Tilbury (Surrey), Legg (Surrey), Darby (Devon), Martin, Attwood, Tovey, Turner, Farmer, Carroll, Lideard, Clark, Drinkwater (all Glos.)

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Re: 1891 census name
« Reply #46 on: Tuesday 26 July 11 15:18 BST (UK) »
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Do you think the next of kin was in 1870 or perhaps when he was discharged in 1889?

Good question - it's hard to tell but it seems to be initialled by the same officer who signed off his 3rd class certificate of education in 1872, and the 1880 marriage, but not the other "Nil" entries on the page which presumably must have been entered at the end of his service.

One would expect a soldier to have NOK of some sort on his records throughout service (and after marriage NOK tends to be the wife), but I agree that one can't be sure that the entry was made immediately upon enlistment.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: 1891 census name
« Reply #47 on: Tuesday 26 July 11 15:22 BST (UK) »
wonder whose son this lad is - a tad too old really, but shown as Rhoda Budd's (the mother of Robert and the 4 daughters mentioned) Grandson in Liss.

1861 census of Liss RG9/Piece: 700 Folio: 99 Page: 14 @ Infants School, Liss
 
Rhoda Budd 64 Head Widow born Liss: SchoolMistress
Henry Budd 11 Grandson born Liss


Census age possibly wrong :-

Births Jun 1852 
 
BUDD  Henry     Petersfield  2c 100   
Budd  Henry     Petersfield  2c 110 looking at the image this is also Page 100


Rhoda's dau Laura is with Robert Budd in Sheffield. Cant see Emma (altho theres a possible 1858 death, Petersfield) or Elizabeth in 1861...



So, in summary this Henry, born 1852, matches YoB for WHB...

His Grandfather was called Robert (Blacksmith I recall)
His Uncle also a Robert, a Brewer up in Sheffield.

He has 4 potential Aunts/Mothers if he is a Grandson of Rhoda - Martha (Moore), Elizabeth, Emma and Laura - the latter seen in Sheffield with Uncle Robert in 1861.

There is a link in WHB's Army Records to Sheffield.

Laura is the only one with initial 'L', but too young to be his mother ...

and sadly, it doesnt help with the sister Alice seen in 1891 it seems ...

What a pity that the Census is just a one-night snapshot in 10 years!

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« Reply #48 on: Tuesday 26 July 11 16:18 BST (UK) »
There is of course the possibility that the initial L in Mrs L BUDD's name was that of her husband (the convention at the time being that a married woman was formally referred to by her husband's given names/initials as well as surname).

Though how this would fit in with Robert BUDD the grocer & baker named as father on Henry's marriage certificate is anyone's guess.

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Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: 1891 census name
« Reply #49 on: Tuesday 26 July 11 16:33 BST (UK) »
GPWM  :D

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Re: 1891 census name
« Reply #50 on: Tuesday 26 July 11 19:05 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Mort29 on Tuesday 26 July 11 15:22 BST (UK)
wonder whose son this lad is - a tad too old really, but shown as Rhoda Budd's (the mother of Robert and the 4 daughters mentioned) Grandson in Liss.

1861 census of Liss RG9/Piece: 700 Folio: 99 Page: 14 @ Infants School, Liss
 
Rhoda Budd 64 Head Widow born Liss: SchoolMistress
Henry Budd 11 Grandson born Liss


Census age possibly wrong :-

Births Jun 1852 
 
BUDD  Henry     Petersfield  2c 100   
Budd  Henry     Petersfield  2c 110 looking at the image this is also Page 100


Rhoda's dau Laura is with Robert Budd in Sheffield. Cant see Emma (altho theres a possible 1858 death, Petersfield) or Elizabeth in 1861...

So, in summary this Henry, born 1852, matches YoB for WHB...

His Grandfather was called Robert (Blacksmith I recall)
His Uncle also a Robert, a Brewer up in Sheffield.

He has 4 potential Aunts/Mothers if he is a Grandson of Rhoda - Martha (Moore), Elizabeth, Emma and Laura - the latter seen in Sheffield with Uncle Robert in 1861.

There is a link in WHB's Army Records to Sheffield.

Laura is the only one with initial 'L', but too young to be his mother ...

and sadly, it doesnt help with the sister Alice seen in 1891 it seems ...

What a pity that the Census is just a one-night snapshot in 10 years!




I like this family, as in the 1841 census there is Robert and Rhoda with children Robert, Elizabeth, Emma and Albert.

Robert junior could be WHB's father.

Benson (London), Budd (London), Tilbury (Surrey), Norman (Cambs), Tilbury (Surrey), Legg (Surrey), Darby (Devon), Martin, Attwood, Tovey, Turner, Farmer, Carroll, Lideard, Clark, Drinkwater (all Glos.)

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Re: 1891 census name
« Reply #51 on: Tuesday 26 July 11 19:14 BST (UK) »
dont think so - I think one of the sisters was his mother ... and he already had a family up in Sheffield 

 ... I'd get the Birth Cert and see who the mother was - my money's on Elizabeth or Emma.


PS. Alberts up in Sheffield too, working for a Wine & Spirit Merchant I think it was ....

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Re: 1891 census name
« Reply #52 on: Tuesday 26 July 11 19:30 BST (UK) »
You mentioned Robert Budd, Grocer's Assistant in 1851, where was that?
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« Reply #53 on: Tuesday 26 July 11 19:37 BST (UK) »
Not me - Annie I think - I had a look at the time, but found nowt.
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