John COBBOLD, born at Halsen (=Harleston?) 1715

[Tiemen]

Pat,

Thank you for your explanation.
So I have to focus on Harleston near Stowmarket in Suffolk.

(That Harleston is antoher as Harleston near Redenhall, right?)

No, I still have not heard from Charles.
I think, he must be busy.

When I could help you with something from the Netherlands in return, just ask.

Tiemen

[annes]

Re: Harleston or Harleston?   

In my mind I was looking at Harleston (Norfolk) records because in distance terms, this is closest to me and the Harleston that I know.  It is very close to the Suffolk border.  I wasn't aware there was one in Norfolk (near Redenhall) and one in Suffolk (near Stowmarket).

I was in the Suffolk records office though so now not sure?  Maybe these were the Suffolk records and that's why I couldn't find him? 

I'm sure suffolkmawther will put me straight 

[Tiemen]

Annes,

I am sorry, that I was not clearer on this subject.
I myself am very much in the dark about english topography.
But your work is not for nothing.
You at least ruled out one place.

But still, I am not even sure that Halsen in Suffolk (as written in the proceedings of the Old Bailey) is the same as Harleston in Suffolk.

greeting from oversea,

Tiemen

[Suffolk Mawther]

As I am sure I explained on one of the other message boards that you are using for this query, the Harleston in Norfolk is often referred to as Harleston with Redenhall (or indeed as Redenhall with Harleston).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redenhall_with_Harleston

Your research is for the early 1700s and back then the Suffolk accent would be more prevalent than today and certainly Harleston would be pronounced 'Harlsen' as it is by those with a Suffolk accent and dialect today.

Pat ...

[Tiemen]

Thank you, Pat

It took some time, but I finally understand the difference between the two places and I know now where to find them on the map.

So I am looking for Harleston in the midst of Suffolk.

And hopefully there is some reference to find to the Cobbold family.

Tiemen

[annes]

Just to clarify.  I checked in the RO today and the records I was looking at belonged to Harleston Suffolk (just 6 fiche covering the parish).

[Birtle]

If you go to the following site http://www.onesuffolk.co.uk/Shelland/About/ and click on the link to the Google map you'll see that Harleston is not far distant from the village of Shelland in Suffolk, and both are within spitting distance of Stowmarket.
If it's any help, at the moment I'm working on a couple of Nunns (with close links to my lot of Rattlesden/Woolpit Cobbolds) whose POB in the earlier 19thc census returns is sometimes given as Shelland, sometimes as Harleston; there is even a Harleston Green mentioned in some Shelland returns... So maybe there's scope for checking Shelland PRs as well as Harleston? Just a thought.
Birtle
PS I've just looked at the Old Bailey image and I think suffolkmawther's right about the Suffolk pronunciation influencing the spelling: Cobbold is spelt Carbold.

[Suffolk Mawther]

Curiouser and curiouser  

Thank you for letting us know annes.
I think the reference to Norfolk FHS confused me (easily done these days).

There is a Local History Recorder at Harleston, nr Stowmarket - perhaps Tieman might like to write to him (no email).  I can send details via PM if you wish?

In 1844 White's it shows the population as 90 on 620 acres of land.  So a very small parish.

The parish churches for both Harlestons can be seen at
http://www.suffolkchurches.co.uk/harleston.html
http://www.norfolkchurches.co.uk/harleston/harleston.htm
(the one in Norfolk, St John the Baptist was not built until 1870, so I am not sure about earlier records for the parish).

Pat ...

[Suffolk Mawther]

Good points Birtle, also the parish of Harleston (nr Stowmarket) is partly in the manors of Haughley and Dagworth with several acres of glebe land in Shelland.

Pat ...