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Paul E

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Re: Relationship to head of Household...
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 05 May 05 13:24 BST (UK) »
Hi Ros

I thouight about the possible different categories after reading Arranroots' thread.  I'm sure there are hundreds more where the enumerator has made a mistake somewhere or where the subject of the census has misinterpreted the term 'relationship' - its just a matter of guessing what might be out there and having some fun.

The 1881 occupation field is also useful - LOTS of possibilities for fun there, too!

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Paul

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« Reply #19 on: Thursday 05 May 05 13:27 BST (UK) »
By the way - I've just done a search on JONES in Ancestry and for some unknown reason its not returning ANY for 1861 or 1871! ???

Must have been a glitch - its righted itself now and they're all there. ::)

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« Reply #20 on: Thursday 05 May 05 13:28 BST (UK) »
But just found 6 Concubines in 1861!

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« Reply #21 on: Thursday 05 May 05 13:53 BST (UK) »
OK Paul, now you have got me going.

There were
12,523 housekeepers
3956 cooks
457 grooms
87 gardeners
30 gardners

and - astonishingly

968,138 servants!
5% of the total population of England in 1861.

As well there were:
21,090 assistants
479 managers
1 adviser

and not a single consultant!

LIfe must have been good.
Lots of housekeepers and servants, no consultants ...


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« Reply #22 on: Thursday 05 May 05 14:02 BST (UK) »
Hey Paul, thanks for carrying on the fun!!

I think Pam actually merged us this morning, but we seem to have separated again now>

Did you feel anything??   ;D ;D

BTW there were 23 secretaries in 1861, but only 2 of them were women.
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)

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« Reply #23 on: Thursday 05 May 05 16:51 BST (UK) »
Don't talk to me about JONES !!!!

I've decided my Jones' and Bowyers must have been Romany Gypsies ...

They are nowhere to be found on 1861 and 1971 ... so must have been parked up in a field somewhere laying concrete roads, putting fences up and poaching from the nearby Fish and Chip shop.

A disgruntled  >:(
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Barnett Altrincham/Manchester
Bates Hindley Lancs
Bowyer Altrincham Cheshire
Cunliffe Hindley
Hollingworth Hale Barnes/Mobberley Ches
Jones Salford/Altrincham
Ramsdale Hindley Lancs
Timperley Warburton/Dunham Massey
Yarwood Great Budworth,Lymm,Dumham Massey

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« Reply #24 on: Thursday 05 May 05 17:04 BST (UK) »
Oh go on Su, give us some clues and we'll hunt  them down for you!

Like a missing sock, we'll search to the ends of the kitchen until we find them, won;t we Rootschatters? :)

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« Reply #25 on: Thursday 05 May 05 18:01 BST (UK) »
Ooo! Thanks Paul ... if you can find them, you are a better man than me Gungadin (is that how you spell it?) ...

I've trawled through the 1861/71 Altrincham and Salford census on CD page by page .. spent three hours on Ancestry Tuesday night til my eyes crossed.

On June 1 1874 George Henry Bowyer (b. 1853/4) married Elizabeth Warburton and Elizbabeth Barnett on the same day at the same time in the same church ... (his honeymoon night must have been exhausting) ... after a lot of tooing and froing to the registry, I discovered it was Elizbath Barnett.  Esther Warburton was married immediately before them, hence the mix up on the marriage cert.  Incidentally, Warburton was carried on as her maiden name on all the children's birth certs.

George Henry's Father was a Robert Bowyer Labourer on the cert. Haven't a clue where from.

On 1881 George Henry (Bricklayer) and Elizabeth and children were living at Paradise Street, Altrincham, Cheshire and it says he was born Altrincham.  Elizabeth was born Manchester.

1891 The were living at 1 Islington Street, Altrincham.

1901 The were living at 76 Lloyd Street, Altrincham

I cannot trace Robert Bowyer in 1861/71 with George Henry in tow.  There are loads of them in Northwich/Nantwich area, but not mine.

JONES (sigh!)

William Jones (b) 1859, married Elizabeth Birtles on 27th May 1882.
He was a spade labourer, and they were residing at Sandiway Place, Altrincham, Cheshire.  His Father was Isaac Jones (date and place of birth unknown) was a Brickmaker.

On 1901 William is said to have been born Salford M/cr.

Again I cannot find Isaac with William in tow 1861/71 Altrincham or Salford.

I rest my case .....

Any assistance would be much appreciated, and if you find them, you will be my friend for ever and ever and ever....

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Barnett Altrincham/Manchester
Bates Hindley Lancs
Bowyer Altrincham Cheshire
Cunliffe Hindley
Hollingworth Hale Barnes/Mobberley Ches
Jones Salford/Altrincham
Ramsdale Hindley Lancs
Timperley Warburton/Dunham Massey
Yarwood Great Budworth,Lymm,Dumham Massey

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« Reply #26 on: Thursday 05 May 05 18:06 BST (UK) »
BTW there are NO Gungadins on the 1861 census...

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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN - HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD - GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS - WIL: WEBB, SALTER - RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS - GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY - MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD - SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON - IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK)