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christopher wagner
« on: Thursday 25 August 11 15:24 BST (UK) »
Hi can anyone out there help me i am trying to trace my great grandfather Christopher Wagner born Germany 1822 came to England 1840ish married Mary Emilene Edwards 1872 they had 6 children Richard, Christopher, Gertrude, Beatrice, Ernest, and Albert i believe Beatrice died quite young Ernest married Nellie Haydon 1906 they were my grandparents they had 4 children Ivy,Leslie,Emma, and Ernest ,Leslie married Daisy Theo Darke they were my paents we all lived in Weston-super-Mare i was born 1945 i beleive Emma died at 3 years but not sure my grandmother Nellie adopted another child Millicent Stacey born 1922 my grandfather Ernest was killed 1915 WW1 hoping someone can help   waggers

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Re: christopher wagner
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 25 August 11 15:41 BST (UK) »
Interesting. Your man, a Musician (married to Mary, 1872) is shown as born c1835, Germany - Naturalised BS in the 1881 census of Weston Super Mare.

There is another Chris' Wagner c1821 & 1817 respectively in Bath / Walcot in 1861/51, also a Musician, married to an Emma?

Marriages Dec Quarter of 1844   
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BOWN  Ann    Bath  11 13   
CHISLET  James     Bath  11 13   
PALMER  William Pinnick     Bath  11 13   
Pratten  Emma     Bath  11 13   
Salmon  Eliza     Bath  11 13   
SIMS  Mary     Bath  11 13   
WAGNER  Christopher     Bath  11 13   
WHITE  John     Bath  11 13   


Sadly recorded in Deaths Jun Quarter of 1862 
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Wagner,  Emma    Bath District  5c 461





This family group in 1841 must be him plus maybe Father- Christopher too. No relationships are shown in 1841.

HO107 Piece 372 Book 5 Civil Parish of Bristol, St James; County: Gloucestershire Folio 54 Page 7 at  'Broadmead'
 
Josh Knight 30 Victualler
Charlotte Knight 30
Jane Knight 8
Chas Knight 6
Ruth Knight 2
Jane Barber 15  Female Servant
Robt Ware 45 Brightsmith
Hy Norton 40 Lab

Christopher Wagner 50 J Musician born Foreign Parts
Fred Wagner 25 do do
Hy Wagner 20 do do
Christian Wagner 17 do do
Christopher Wagner 24 do do
Fred Wagner 15 do do


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Re: christopher wagner
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 25 August 11 15:43 BST (UK) »
Hello and welcome to RootsChat

It seems your grandfather was probably married before he married Mary Emmilene??

Do you have marriage cert for him??

This looks like his arrival into England

Alien Arrivals
Arrived Dover 22 April 1838

Christian Wagner
CHRISTOPHER WAGNER
Johannes Blank
Anna Wagner
Elizabeth Wagner
Johannes Grau
Caspian Lommer (Sommer?)
Ludwig Eular
all "Strolling Musicians"
all have passports
Nationals of Germany and Francs

Johannes Blank signed as "bearer"

Do you require census details??

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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 25 August 11 16:08 BST (UK) »
Maybe Christopher was "back and forth" across the channel - there are lots of "Alien" arrivals at Dover -Christopher Wagner strolling musician  1838- 1842

From 1841 census it looks apossibility father was also Christopher -although ni relationships given

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Would you like to post what you know for certain ??


1891 census Christopher with Mary Emma gives Christopher's age as 69????

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Re: christopher wagner
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 25 August 11 16:12 BST (UK) »
Can you see him in the 1871 census Suzard? - looks like Emma died in 1862.

I found the daughter Catherine from 1861 in Service in 1871, and marrying in 1872.

No sign of the Father & son Christopher.

Maybe they did flit back to Germany?

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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 25 August 11 16:25 BST (UK) »
Hi i believe Beatrice died quite young

It looks like Beatrice lived to the age of 74 -and had several children!!!

Birth reg
Beatrice Emlen Wagner
Sept qtr 1880
Axbridge

Marriage reg
1903 Totnes Devon
Beatrice Emlen Wagner
George Henry Horswell
5b 449

Death reg
Beatrice E Horswell
Age 74
Sept qtr 1954
Totnes
7a 690

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Re: christopher wagner
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 25 August 11 17:07 BST (UK) »
I'ne been trying to find him in 1871 -can't find daughter Sarah, son William ,son Christopher either??

There is a Christopher Pfaff b Germany -occ Musician -living in Weston Super mare 1871 -all the lodgers have the surname Pfaff as do the family
Windered if tht might be a mis entry????

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Re: christopher wagner
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 25 August 11 17:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Suz thanks for your info the first census he appears on is 1881 both he and mary gave incorrect age to cover the 31 year age difference he being 50 and she just 19 the census shows 4 children richard christopher beatrice gertrude 1891 census shows 2 more ernest my grandfather and albert by 1901 census mary is awidow with the 2 youngest living at home by 1911 she was living with ernest and his family at 8 sidmouth cottages west where they were still living when i was born 1945 except for mary and ernest who were both dead my grandmother nellie was dead by 1951 and the rest of the family lived there untill 1958  waggers

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Re: christopher wagner
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 25 August 11 17:37 BST (UK) »
Hi Waggers,
Your Grandfather Ernest is on the www.cwgc.org site as having died 19/05/1916. It mentions various details including wife and parents names.
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Sinnock/Sinnicks...Brighton,Greenwich.
Clements,Coles,Mc Donagh,Rock

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