Walter Joss baptism look up please

[patrish]

It would appear to me that if it is the same person, then he was not found guilty in 1834 if you look at the dates he fathered his children.

[rosie99]

Thanks Rosie,

Somehow I hope that is not the same Walter Joss that I am looking for !
How would I go about finding out more about that story and the outcome ?

Are you able to access the article on the Times online?

[angiek]

There were technical problems with that website when I looked earlier today, but i will try again.

I have noted that were a number of Joss' located in Aberdeenshire. I also see a marriage for a Robert Joss to Christian Marr in Aberdeenshire on 1/5/1824. Walter Joss had a daughter named Jane Maris or Marr so perhaps I should be asking my question on the Aberdeenshire pages...

[Westoe]

Hello 'angiek',

Can't help with the baptism, but can give you some details of his career. He was master of snow Andromeda, barque Alice Thompson and bark Jane (1849-50), plus at least four more.

Cheers,
Westoe

[angiek]

Hello Westoe,

Thank you for the information. I have a Times article dated 4th Feb 1834 referring to an incident involving Captain Walter Joss on the Andromeda from St. Petersburgh. However, I am unsure if this is the same Walter Joss, as that would have made him a Captain at approximately 20 years of age. I would have thought that was unlikely ?
The name Walter Joss is not common however and the pieces of information  I have suggest that he may have been from Banffshire and that his father was named Walter Joass.

I would be very interested to know the details of the other ships he was on with dates etc so that I can pursue that line further...

Many thanks,
Angie.

[Westoe]

Hello Angie,

Yes, in those days (pre- examinations for Certificates of Competency) he could have been a master at age 20. I have younger masters in my files.

However, I am unsure if this is the same Walter Joss, as that would have made him a Captain at approximately 20 years of age. I would have thought that was unlikely ?

Here is a link to online volumes of Lloyd's Register of Shipping:

http://www.maritimearchives.co.uk/lloyds-register.html

They are searchable and, (smile), with Joss being a short name, there won't be creative truncations to make it fit into the narrow column allowed for master's name.

The book "Dictionary of Tyne Sailing Ships" by Richard Keys lists him as master of:

ANDROMEDA, 29 March 1833
HARVEST HOME, 3 April 1843
AMAZON, 22 September 1849
JANE, 21 December 1849
ALICE THOMPSON, 31 October 1854
plus two others that I can't name for you now because I don't have the book here with me.


10 May 1850, Joss and crew and some supplies were rescued from the sinking JANE off Cape St. Vincent en route to Quecec by the BRILLIANT. There are two references in Newcastle Courant newspaper on Friday, 31 May, 1850, and one in the Caledonian Mercury on Monday, 3 June, 1850.

Walter is not listed in Lloyd's Captains Registers, but there are 8 others with surname Joss (possibly kin?).
http://www.history.ac.uk/gh/capintro.htm

Cheers,
Westoe

[angiek]

Hello Westoe,
Thank you for the details, it sounds fascinating and I will follow up on that.

I wonder if I could ask you to check your book for details of my great grandfather
George Gibson Johnson. (He was married to Walter Joss's daughter Catherine Ann Joss).
The 1841 through 1901 census shows the Johnson family living in Hill Street, Westoe.

I did find him in the Lloyd's Captains Register and I have copies of his certificates from 1854.
His statement of service leading up to that shows he was on the Dorothy and Hercules
between 1848 and 1854, however I have no information after that.

I understand from family that he supposedly died at sea around 1888. However I have no information about when or how etc. I would dearly love to find out details of
any voyages being taken at that time or circumstances surrounding his death. My research online
has led me to believe that deaths at sea for that year may not have survived.

Thanks & regards,
Angie.




 

[Westoe]

Hello Angie,

There is only one entry for George Gibson Johnson (there are several for George Johnson-s but none of those look likely).

Entry # 1331 (page 281)

snow ELBE
Official Number 24415
211 tons
dimensions 82.6 X 24.6 feet
built Sunderland 1826
Not registered on the Tyne (only scope of this book) until 1846.

Owners as of 9 November 1854 were Hannah Gibson, widow (48/64ths) and George Gibson Johnson (16/64ths), both South Shields. (Geo. and his Nanna?)

Master as of 16 November 1854 was George Gibson Johnson.

ELBE was sold-on 13 June 1862, and foundered at sea 23 November 1863.

Cheers,
Westoe

[Westoe]

Hello again, Angie,

I've just had a look at the newspapers. The last mention I found of ELBE with master named Johnson was leaving Newcastle, with coals, for Altona, on Tues., 25 September, 1860, so he appears to have stayed on her nearly six years.

On another note, did your George GJ have a brother Henry who died before 19 November, 1887? If so, GGJ gave a donation of £20. in his memory to the Indigent Old Age Society of Leicester.
.
Cheers,
Westoe