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1841 Census Look ups
« on: Saturday 10 September 11 04:31 BST (UK) »
Hello
Would appreciate look ups for Charlotte (born abt 1796 Doncaster) and Thomas Oates (B abt 1792 Sheffield).

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Marie

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Re: 1841 Census Look ups
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 10 September 11 06:39 BST (UK) »
Hi Marie

Welcome to Rootschat  ;D
For reference - is this the couple in 1871?

1871:
RG10 / Piece: 3630/ Folio: 82 / Page: 36
Boarder: Thomas OATES 77, marr, Retired Commercial Agent, b Sheffield
Boarder: Charlotte OATES 74, marr, b Doncaster
In Rockside? Establishment & Boarding House, Matlock, Derbyshire


Also just checking - are you expecting them to be in Essex in 1841?
Because if the above 1871 is your couple - they are as follows in 1841/1851:


1841: Glossop Road, Ecclesall Bierlow, Broomhill, Sheffield, Yorkshire
HO107 /  Piece 1333 /  Book: 3 / Folio: 32 / Page: 24
Thomas OATES 45, Agent, Y
Charlotte OATES 40, Teaches School - Y
Pupils:
Ann ROBERTS 18 - N
Elizabeth BARKER 14 - Y
Maria YEOMENS 14 - Y
Maria HILL 14 - Y
Margaret HARRISON 14 - N
Mary HARRISON 12 - N
Elizabeth WATERHOUSE 13 - Y
Mary WATERHOUSE 12 - Y
Jessie STEPHENSON 13 - Scotland
Elizabeth HORNCASTLE 9 - Y
Mary Ann LEIGHTON 11 - N
Emily APPLEBY? 12 - N
Mary COWEN 13 - Y
Lucy BARKER 11 - Y
Sarah BARKER 10 - Y
Maria GLAVE 20, FS - Y
Mary BELDON 20, FS - Y

1851: Broom Villa, Glossop Road, Ecclesall Bierlow, Broomhill, Sheffield, Yorkshire
HO107 / Piece: 2337 / Folio: 731 / Page: 23
Head: Thomas OATES 58, Commercial Agent, b Sheffield
Wife: Charlotte OATES 54, Teacher, b Doncaster
Niece: Susan DRACOTT 28, unm, Teacher, b Budby, Notts
Servant: Mary REDFERN 24, unm, Cook, b Greenhill, Derbyshire
Servant: Ellen NETHERHEAD (WETHERHEAD?) 14, Housemaid, b Bretton,Yorkshire


Cheers
AMBLY
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Re: 1841 Census Look ups
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 10 September 11 08:47 BST (UK) »
Found them! Or maybe not! ;D

1841, reference HO107, Piece 1232, Folio 11/6, Page 5
Wincolmlee, Sculcoates, Kingston Upon Hull

Waterhouse, Thomas  M  20  No
Waterhouse, Martha  F  25  Yorkshire
Waterhouse, Thomas  M  1  Yorkshire

Coates, Thomas  M  30  Labourer  Yorkshire
Coates, Charlotte  F  45  Yorkshire
Silvey, Elizabeth  F  3  Yorkshire

Wall, Sarah  F  70  No
Wall, William  M  25  No
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« Reply #3 on: Saturday 10 September 11 09:32 BST (UK) »
Quote from: AMBLY on Saturday 10 September 11 06:39 BST (UK)
Hi Marie

Welcome to Rootschat  ;D
For reference - is this the couple in 1871?

1871:
RG10 / Piece: 3630/ Folio: 82 / Page: 36
Boarder: Thomas OATES 77, marr, Retired Commercial Agent, b Sheffield
Boarder: Charlotte OATES 74, marr, b Doncaster
In Rockside? Establishment & Boarding House, Matlock, Derbyshire


Also just checking - are you expecting them to be in Essex in 1841?
Because if the above 1871 is your couple - they are as follows in 1841/1851:


1841: Glossop Road, Ecclesall Bierlow, Broomhill, Sheffield, Yorkshire
HO107 /  Piece 1333 /  Book: 3 / Folio: 32 / Page: 24
Thomas OATES 45, Agent, Y
Charlotte OATES 40, Teaches School - Y
Pupils:
Ann ROBERTS 18 - N
Elizabeth BARKER 14 - Y
Maria YEOMENS 14 - Y
Maria HILL 14 - Y
Margaret HARRISON 14 - N
Mary HARRISON 12 - N
Elizabeth WATERHOUSE 13 - Y
Mary WATERHOUSE 12 - Y
Jessie STEPHENSON 13 - Scotland
Elizabeth HORNCASTLE 9 - Y
Mary Ann LEIGHTON 11 - N
Emily APPLEBY? 12 - N
Mary COWEN 13 - Y
Lucy BARKER 11 - Y
Sarah BARKER 10 - Y
Maria GLAVE 20, FS - Y
Mary BELDON 20, FS - Y

1851: Broom Villa, Glossop Road, Ecclesall Bierlow, Broomhill, Sheffield, Yorkshire
HO107 / Piece: 2337 / Folio: 731 / Page: 23
Head: Thomas OATES 58, Commercial Agent, b Sheffield
Wife: Charlotte OATES 54, Teacher, b Doncaster
Niece: Susan DRACOTT 28, unm, Teacher, b Budby, Notts
Servant: Mary REDFERN 24, unm, Cook, b Greenhill, Derbyshire
Servant: Ellen NETHERHEAD (WETHERHEAD?) 14, Housemaid, b Bretton,Yorkshire


Cheers
AMBLY

Thank you so much; each entry is them. Much appreciated.  It looks like they are not included in the 1861 Census?

Marie

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« Reply #4 on: Saturday 10 September 11 12:17 BST (UK) »
Hi Marie

Here they are in 1861 - as in 1841, 1851, surname mistranscribed! but is correct in the actual images:

1861: No. 8 Broom Grove Road, Ecclesall Bierlow,Broomhill,  Sheffield, Yorkshire
RG9 /  Piece: 3468; / Folio: 128 /  Page: 45
Head: Thomas OATES 68,  Iron?? & Insurance Agent, b Sheffield
Wife: Charlotte OATES 64, b Doncaster,
Servant: Mary ELLIOTT 26, unm, House Servant, b Doncaster

Cheers
AMBLY
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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 11 September 11 03:24 BST (UK) »
Quote from: AMBLY on Saturday 10 September 11 12:17 BST (UK)
Hi Marie

Here they are in 1861 - as in 1841, 1851, surname mistranscribed! but is correct in the actual images:

1861: No. 8 Broom Grove Road, Ecclesall Bierlow,Broomhill,  Sheffield, Yorkshire
RG9 /  Piece: 3468; / Folio: 128 /  Page: 45
Head: Thomas OATES 68,  Iron?? & Insurance Agent, b Sheffield
Wife: Charlotte OATES 64, b Doncaster,
Servant: Mary ELLIOTT 26, unm, House Servant, b Doncaster

Cheers
AMBLY

Thank you so much; do you think the missing word might be something to do with being a Commercial Agent?  In other Census Thomas is listed as Agent or Commercial Agent.  I am not sure what a Commercial Agent would have done other than act as the middle man between producers and those requiring the products or materials.  Any ideas?

Many thanks
Marie

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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 11 September 11 10:17 BST (UK) »
Thank you one and all - have found the lock/unlock icon and unlocked.  Phew!!!! Was getting a bit stressful there for a while. :'(

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 11 September 11 10:28 BST (UK) »
I know I PM'd you this, but thought I'd put it in the public domain!

1861 census says "Iron and Insurance Agent".
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