Hughes/Mathews in Llysfaen or Ruthin

[trimochyn]

Yes, the Mary Spier christened 16th July 1769: I believe she is the daughter of 'William Spier, shoemaker, four doors from the Horseshoe Inn, in Goswell-Street, makes and sells all sorts of mens boots and shoes.' http://thesaurus.cerl.org/record/cnp00051737

[despair]

I think I'm suggesting but have no proof,that the marriage of John Spier and Anna Maria Hughes in 1759 is the genesis of "Spier Hughes" offspring.
Pehaps a son is born is 1863 who is the John Spier Hughes of Ruthin and the
memorial,will,etc.How he became "of Ruthin" is another matter.
It is a bit difficult without being able to draw a family tree.

Roger

[trimochyn]

Hmm. And my extremely tentative suggestion is that Rev. Dr. John Spier and Anne Maria Hughes produced a - granddaughter? - Anne Maria Spier who married John Hughes of Nannerch etc (cousins?). They then called their children John Spier and Anne Maria... But that's giving me a headache!

[despair]

The John Spier Hughes I suggested would have married Mary Spier in 1785,but there is no evidence yet of the relationship,if any(!) between John Spier(his father?) and Mary Spier.
I feel a headache coming on also...
Roger

[despair]

I think I've still got that headache but.....
I can find a couple of references to John Spier Jones of Ruthin being in the Denbigh Militia,first Ensign to  Lt.(Feb 1 1794) and finally as Captain in a report of his death.
The Denbighshire archives(www.denbighshire.gov.uk) have a single document(not online) with reference to John Spier Jones in the title in 1822-contents unknown.They have a significant number of documents on the Denbighshire militia.

You probably have this already but it is the first time I have noticed it-there is a record(as expected?) on www. family search.org for "Spier Hughes"Denbighshire,Wales-16 Sept 1818 parents Thomas Hughes and Elizabeth


Roger

[taidgazacaz]

From Trelawnyd (Newmarket) Parish Registers.

Baptisms

8th November 1786 (b 5th) Elizabeth Matthews, d/o John & Elizabeth (Davies)
? August 1788 (b 5th) Henry Matthews, s/o ditto
10th May 1790 Mary Matthews, d/o ditto

19th September 1785 (b 16th) William Davies, s/o John & Margaret (Matthews)
5th August 1787 Harriet Davies, d/o ditto
{William Davies – Grocer}

Marriages

11th October 1784 John Davies (ba) & Margaret Mathews (sp) (signed Margt. Matthews) by licence, both otp.
   Witnesses: Jno Matthews, Wm Davies.

11th July 1785 John Mathews (ba) (signed John Matthews) & Elizabeth Davies (sp) (signed Eliza Davies) by licence, both otp.
   Witnesses: Hugh Stodart, Mary Davies.

Burials

28th February 1783 (d 22nd) Elizabeth Mathews age 68, w/o Edward, Siamber Wen.
(Note: w/o indicates “wife of”, as there are a number of wd/o’s on the same page. Siamber Wen is now a large ruined farmhouse, but I don’t know haw big a holding it was as the land is now farmed by another farmer.) 
20th January 1790 (d 19th) Thomas Davies, infant son of John & Margaret (Matthews)
14th February 1790 (d 11th) Henry Matthews, age 1, s/o John & Elizabeth (Davies)

[despair]

I have downloaded the will of John Spier Hughes of Oxford from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and can confirm that he is John Spier Hughes of Ruthin as it starts  "......John Spier Hughes of Ruthin now resident in Oxford......"
I will try to decipher some more detail for you if you have not already done the same,but the writing is particularly difficult.There is definite reference to "brother" and "brother in law".
Cost is £3.50 if you want to do it directly yourself.Let me know what you want to do

Roger

[trimochyn]

Roger,

I've downloaded it as well. As you say, incredibly difficult to decipher but there's reference to a brother James Hughes, a brother Thomas Hughes, a sister mary, a nephew John Bull, and a late nephew John Spier Matthews...

I don't think he's the right man, somehow. Related, perhaps, but not John hughes' father, obviously. Uncle, perhaps? Headache continues.

Pip

[trimochyn]

Taidgazacaz,

Thanks very much for that. First Elizabeth Mathews (1788) is, I think, E Mathews/Hughes of Plas yn Llysfaen...