Hughes/Mathews in Llysfaen or Ruthin

[despair]

There is a record in www.familysearch.org
of a marriage of Spier Hughes(parent Thomas Hughes) to Janet Miller(born 1824 parent George Miller) July 1844 in Bengal plus in www.findmypast.co.uk
a death of a Janet Hughes !847-1849 Madras
There is also a death of a George William Miller 1844-1846 Indian Subcontinent
(corps unknown)
Roger

[trimochyn]

Thanks - that's absolutely fascinating. Also the Indian connection.

I think I'll have to stump up for a findmypast subscription...

Meanwhile I've found this memorial in Ruthin to a John Spier Hughes and his wife Mary: http://www.flickr.com/photos/52219527@N00/5062482795/sizes/l/in/photostream/. There's a record of a John Spier Hughes marrying a Mary Spier in London. Also, a John Spier Hughes donated £500 to Christ's Hospital, Ruthin, in his will (1830). Wondering if this is Thomas and John's father and mother. Interestingly, there's an anchor at the top of the memorial.

[taidgazacaz]

Trimochyn,
What I forgot to mention is that I have the printed copies of the Newmarket PRs, so unless you specifically want to visit the Archives, I can give you the information.

[despair]

I can find another reference to his will,whereby his beneficiaries(Hughes,Matthews,Edwards) agree in 1840 to sell "71 acre Prior Hill".
He appears to be well connected as he is a witness in 1791 to the marriage of The Hon.John Cambell(Campbell?),Lord Stonefield,Judge of Session and Phoebe Lloyd.
Haven't found evidence of the connection you were trying to establish yet

Roger

[despair]

The London marriage looks correct:-
Enfield,Edmonton All Saints
John Spier Hughes of the parish of Ruthin  and Mary Spier of this parish married in this church by licence this Ninth day of November 1784.

Judging by the dates on the memorial and the dta below she would  be 15 and he 21.
I think there is a christening for her on 16/7/1769-parents William and Catherine.

Roger

[trimochyn]

There's also a Rev. Dr Spier who marries Anne Maria Hughes in 1754 who I thought might be JSH's father, but I think he's the John Spier of Wapping who got his DD from St John's College, Oxford in 1750 and went on to be rector of Crick in Northants, where he died in 1750.

Also interestingly, there's a reference to a John Spier Hughes being a JP in Oxfordshire in 1835 - he ought to be the one with property at Prior's Hill, as there's a John Spier Hughes Esq of Ambrosden in the 1810s, but I can't believe there were two JSHs from Ruthin in that exact spot (unless he's another son, or I'm on the wrong track).

[trimochyn]

taidgazacaz,

I'd love that info if you have it to hand...

Many thanks.

[despair]

First the will reference.The extract was from a manuscript for sale and clearly stated John Spier Hughes(of Ruthin),and of course had Matthews etc. as beneficiaries.I will find the reference again-maybe the manuscript is still for sale.
I have found a slightly different marriage record to yours and it appears right:
The Reverend John Spier,Clerk Doctor in Divinity of the Parish of St. Andrew,Holborn,London,batchelor and Anna Maria Hughes of the same parish,spinster,were married in the church  by licence on the twenty eighth day of April in the year One Thousand Seven Hundred and Fifty Nine.
From the memorial dates John Spier Hughes was born circa 1863 so this would fit nicely and of course her name is Anna Maria..........

I can't find a clear candidate on the clergy data base for John Spier but I can find:-

Anna Mamira(sic) Hughes-Christening-11th April 1736 St. Andrew Holborn
Parents William Hughes and Sarah

All of this looks good but where does the Ruthin connection begin?

Roger

[trimochyn]

It's the Anne Maria connection that makes it so tempting. Could the Ruthin John Spier Hughes have married his cousin? Elsewhere, though, I've found reference to Rev. John Spier of Crick having only one son, John Erasmus Spier, who may be the same man who was an officer in the Royal Marines and died before 1833.