LUND Ellen (Completed)

[kiwi-terrier]

Have spoken to my friend about his grandmother.
No body in his family knows where she is buried or what happened to her.

Regards
Kiwi-terrier

[Beg Clonrode...]

The newspaper articles I believe are not her

Hello KT...

Can't help in locating your friend's grandmother (sorry) but I'm curious as to what made you discount the Ellen LUND that Lucy found at PapersPast...

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0g38/
Auckland Star - 4 February 1891 - A Sad Case


....especially as you were the one who said that there's a link between the BDM NZ 1912/6035 marriage of Eva Ellen LUND to George Lewis HANDCOCK and the BDM NZ 1889/16347 birth of Eva Ellen LUND (who would be the two year old mentioned in the newspaper clipping)

Birth

1889 - LUND - Eda Ellen
Mother:   Elizabeth   /   Father:  John

Abovenamed is the only LUND female who marries in 1912

The 1912 marriage is the daughter Eda Ellen and that's her birth

I'm assuming BDM NZ has mis-transcribed Eva as Eda, but I've seen worse.

Has your friend thought of purchasing the birth certificate of one of the other children mentioned in the newspaper clipping.
Here's a likely candidate...

BDM NZ Births - 1883/6182 - FONG, George - mother: Elizabeth father: Ah

Assuming Ellen filled in the mother's details honestly it should clear up if she is your friend's grandmother. Might also point to where the name SEFFIELD comes into it cos I can't find a SEFFIELD/DOUGLAS marriage anywhere.

If this is your friend's grandmother it sounded like she was heading for a paupers grave. Possibly the records of the Charitable Aid Board could be your next port of call.

Regards
Beg

[kiwi-terrier]

Am trying to get hold of my friend and get him to have another look and try to see if he can jog some of the family to see if any of this rings bells .     
What I should have said that Ellen LUND is his great grand mother & Eda is his grandmother.

Had a look at BDM for the children named:
Elizabeth Ann FONG b 1886
GEORGE FONG          b 1883 sold to a chinaman ??
Lily                       b , 
There is a Lily Fong on BDM with different parents born after 1901
Also a Lily Chow FONG married 1919 Yip BOR, not sure if same as above.
Eva Ellen LUND maybe Eda Ellen Lund b 1889.

Wonder if Ellen Elizabeth DOUGLAS married in the UK and came to NZ with ? SHEFFIELD, took up with Ah FONG (children) and then married John LUND. At present it could fit in with the dates.
A mystery lady with many names.


Regards
Kiwi-terrier

[Lucy2]

....especially as you were the one who said that there's a link between the BDM NZ 1912/6035 marriage of Eva Ellen LUND to George Lewis HANDCOCK and the BDM NZ 1889/16347 birth of Eva Ellen LUND (who would be the two year old mentioned in the newspaper clipping)

I'm assuming BDM NZ has mis-transcribed Eva as Eda, but I've seen worse.

... just to clarify the listings at NZ BDM     

Birth -- 1889 - LUND - Eda Ellen
Mother:  Elizabeth  /  Father:  John

Marriage -- 1912 - LUND - Eda Ellen  - to HANDCOCK

It is only in the newspaper article - "Auckland Star" - 4 February 1891 where the child of Elizabeth LUND is shown as "Eva" Ellen LUND.
 

[Lucy2]

Had a look at BDM for the children named:
Elizabeth Ann FONG b 1886
GEORGE FONG          b 1883 sold to a chinaman ??
Lily                       b , 

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0g38/
Auckland Star - 4 February 1891 - A Sad Case

In the above article, the children of Elizabeth LUND are described as ranging in age from 2 years to 10 years.
Further info contained in article suggests that Elizabeth Ann and George are the two older children ... so one of them, (probably Elizabeth Ann), has a birth year circa 1881 (rather than 1886).   

[Lucy2]

GEORGE FONG          b 1883 sold to a chinaman ??
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[From previously mentioned article - 4 February 1891]

The boy George FONG (a.k.a. SEFFIELD) is present in Court with his sisters (Feb. 1891).

The articles speaks of "another child - a boy aged 5 years" who was sold by his mother to a Chinaman .... "when the last Chinese steamer was in (port ?) and the boy was taken to China".   (So this is yet another son of Elizabeth LUND - but is not the child, George.)   

[Lucy2]

Ellen DOUGLAS abt 1859 Newcastle, England m 1888 Auckland, John LUND abt 1852  Finland

Had one child, she married 1912, mother's name changes to Elizabeth not Ellen LUND

Hi KT

Does your friend have this 1912 marriage printout (cert.) ?

*  What info has the bride given for her mother's maiden name ?

~  Lu 

[Lucy2]

    **   correction  **      to my reply # 23

Should read .... "the boy George LUND (a.k.a. SEFFIELD)  ....   (rather than George FONG)

 

[Lucy2]

Mmm ... some interesting info from Ah FONG (and a Thomas Ah QUOI) which contradicts several of the statements in the February 1891 case.   

"Auckland Star" - 13 May 1886 - Resident Magistrate's Court

[Excerpt from article]

Ah QUOI v. Ah FONG, claim for L5-16s-6d :

The debtor {Ah FONG} said he was cook by profession.   Had a boarding house.   Couldn't get on.
.... had a wife and 3 little ones.    Had been out of work since Saturday.    The claim was for rent.
Did not get married at a church, but some other place.

Thomas QUOI {presumably Thomas Ah Quoi ?} deposed to the nature of the debt, the debtor was never married and had no children.    A female came to the creditor's house from Dunedin and Ah FONG became interested, but she is not his wife.    The husband sought his lawful wife and Ah FONG was afraid and hid himself.

Ah Fong :   How do you know that she was not my wife before the other man's ?

Ah QUOI was about to explain when His Worship suggested that it was unnecessary to go further into the case.