W Ruddell Tobacco Manufacturer Dublin, marriage to Thomas Clarke

[Pastmagic]

Can't answer that question, but this bit of obscure correspondence may be of interest:
http://193.178.2.84/test/R/1926/APPENDIX_25031926_1.html

[woodchurch]

I think you must have hacked into a Monty Python sketch - but nobody could have made that up!  Anyway it shows W Ruddell Tobacco manufacturers were still around in 1926, as were Wm Clarke and Son in name at least, thanks for that!

[hanes teulu]

The Belfast News Letter Feb 25 1896 carried the following advert

"WANTED YOUNG MAN. Protestant (indoor), as ASSISTANT in Tobacco Trade; one who has served to grocery might suit. Reply, with references, stating salary expected. Wm Ruddell, 134 James Street, Dublin".

Wd this be Wm Jnr?

regards

[Pastmagic]

Yes, I liked that too, specially as the info from the Govt about Dail Committies referendum fell through my letterbox today.....straight from monty Python land....And I wonder where the tobbaco fields of Ireland actually were...


PM

[shanew147]

Thom's 1938 shows entries for both company's as follows :

  William Ruddell Ltd, tobacco and snuff manufacturer
  74 to 112 East Wall Road

  William Clarke & Son, branch of the Imperial Tobacco Co.
    (of Gt. Britain & Ireland) Ltd
    tobacco, snuff & cigarette manufacturers,
    148-160  South Circular Rd., Dolphins Barn
 
also found some earlier Cork city listings for the Clarke business :

 1867 W. Clarke & Sn, 69 & 71 South main St, 6 St. Patrick st. & Rock Savage
 1870 Wm. Clarke & Son, Tobacco Manufacturers, Blackrock road
 1881 Wm. Clarke & Son, Tobacco Manufacturers, 6 St. Patrick St. and 70/71 South Main St
 1894 William Clarke & Son, 69 to 71 South Main street



Shane

[woodchurch]

Thanks Shane and PM - Thomas Clarke had six sons, all of whom were to some extent involved in the family business in Ireland and Liverpool.  Three of them were also farmers and landowners in Co. Cork (William at Trabolgan, Ernest at Carrigaline and Thomas at Farran).  Somewhere I read that at least one of them grew tobacco on their estates, Thomas, I think (aka Capt. T A Clarke).  Note to self, must keep better records!  I have typically Victorian portraits of Thomas and Elizabeth (Ruddell) Clarke.

[Pastmagic]

http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/D/0037/D.0037.193102180041.html

More Monty Python...quite off the point, just plus ca change....

Mr. MacEntee: I have been reading over the speeches made by the Minister for Finance and by the Minister for Agriculture on the last occasion on which this motion was before the House. I congratulate the Ministers, not upon the accuracy of their facts, but upon the fertility of their imaginations. If it were not that the rules of debate and the rules of the House preclude the Ministers in the Chamber from publicly worshipping “my lady nicotine,” I would have formed the opinion that their pleasant mental fictions had been evolved while they were blowing smoke rings upon the  Government Bench, because there never was in any speech made, even by a Minister in this House, such a taradiddle of misrepresentation as was indulged in by the Minister for Finance in endeavouring to justify the attitude of the Government in refusing to set up this Select Committee to consider the present position and future prospects of the industry of tobacco-growing in Saorstát Eireann.........

At least in those days, the word billion never was uttered..and going up in smoke had a whole different meaning...



There is lots of stuff on line about the various Clarke brothers, which you have probably accesed..

[woodchurch]

Taradiddle, I must remember that! 

My original genealogical objective was to find out as much as I could about the six brothers William Ruddell, Thomas Arthur, Charles Samuel (my grandfather) Henry Herbert, Ernest Joseph and George Alfred Erskine the first three were born in Ireland and and a daughter, Elizabeth Galbraith. the other three in Liverpool. I have found various material on them, but any more links would always be welcome. 

[Pastmagic]

http://genforum.genealogy.com/galbraith/messages/835.html
http://genforum.genealogy.com/shaw/messages/10197.html
http://genforum.genealogy.com/galbraith/messages/296.html

If this is correct - then there is another tobbaconist family - Shaw - involved in the cigar empire......PM