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Offline Pastmagic

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Re: HATCH George Edmund Farncom
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 19 October 11 12:48 BST (UK) »
Here is a reference to a "marker" for him in the Graveyard at LLanallgo above Meolfre
It downloads as a pdf. I found it by googling "George Hatch" "Royal Charter" I can't post a URL, but try to find it by doing that.

Found this obscure reference on Google - see piece in the Royal Charter.
KHANTERINTE OF EVENTS

passenger list for the "Royal Charter" went down with the ship. ... same graveyard are for Dr George Hatch, John Grove and William Timmson. ...

Not quite sure if means he was buried there or not. Perhaps the body was never recovered...? Have you tried the Galegroup newspapers for him?
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Re: HATCH George Edmund Farncom
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 19 October 11 13:00 BST (UK) »
Then found this 
http://www.anglesey-hidden-gem.com/llanallgo-church-royal-charter-disaster.html

Trove has an article which says his body was found:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13036547

See also - looks as if there were church records for some of the victims:
http://www.thipfamilies.org.uk/Royal_Charter.htm

See also:
Of those who perished 140 lie in the graveyard at Llanallgo, 64 are buried in Llaneugrad, 45 in Penrhosllugwy buried by the Reverend Hugh Robert Hughes. Other lie in the graveyards of the parishes on the beaches of which they were washed up. These are Llanddyfnan. Llanwenllwyfo, Llanfairmathafarneithaf, Llanbedrgoch, Llanddona and Amlwch.

http://www.royalcharterchurch.org.uk/wreck.html

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Re: HATCH George Edmund Farncom
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 19 October 11 13:26 BST (UK) »
And another obscure reference, again pdf which says "Dr. George Hatch was last seen trying to rescue female passingers" In the May 2011 Journal of the Australian and New Zeland Society of the History of Medicine.

The death records for the graveyard which is stated to have a "marker" for him :
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/AGY/AGY_PR.html
WPE/55       Llanallgo  (a)       1725-1992
WPE/62       Llanbabo  (g)       1740-1986
Seem to be in Anglesy Record office.

Apologies if I am just posting what you know already, may be of interest to others searching for the "Royal Charter " victims.
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Re: HATCH George Edmund Farncom
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 19 October 11 22:05 BST (UK) »
PM, thank you very much for the help you have provided.  It is people like yourself who have such vast experience in family research that give people like me the "kick start" that generates the motivation to keep going.  Once again, thanks.
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Re: HATCH George Edmund Farncom
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 20 October 11 01:09 BST (UK) »
Nice of you to say so, but that was more google research than geneology...!
I hope you can make contact with the clergyman in St Gallgo's Church, Llanallgo and see if there is a death record. I had hunt fro a GRO death too, but to no avail - but I understand free BMD is not complete as yet.
Good look in the hunt, and keep us posted if you do get results.
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Re: HATCH George Edmund Farncom
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 23 October 11 18:36 BST (UK) »
Hi

FreeBMD is complete for 1859

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/progressD.shtml#1850

It was compulsory to register deaths. The imposing of fines in 1875 concerned the non-registration of births the only one of the three life events where officials were not necessarily involved. Marriages and deaths required officials to be involved. No death registration in theory no burial in a churchyard or cemetery (a coroner's order however would allow burials before an inquest). Deaths and burials had legislation governing them even before the start of civil registration.

The GRO index is not by any means perfect. I have a birth certificate from Newcastle registrar for a birth in 1842 that cannot be obtained from the GRO because the birth does not appear in the index, though it was obviously locally registered.

Contact Anglesey registration office and see if they have a death certificate for him.

http://www.anglesey.gov.uk/community/birth-marriage-and-death/tracing-your-family-tree/

There obviously was an attempt to identify as many bodies as possible even exhuming some.

http://www.royalcharterchurch.org.uk/wreck.html

'Rector Stephen Roose HUGHES, maintained a burial register of ‘unknowns’ in which he noted carefully every detail which might possibly assist identification later – tattoo marks, which the sailors often wore, as if with that very possibility in mind; receipts for parrots, which many of the dead carried with them; miniatures of women; scraps of letters; locks of hair worn in lockets around the neck; and the physical characteristics of the corpses.  Stephen Roose HUGHES was able to identify a body of a Jewish passenger, he had the body exhumed and then re-buried with due observance of the rites of the Jews.'

'The body of Issacher Marks was finally buried in Deane Road Cemetery Liverpool on 16th November with a note in the burial registers, “Wrecked in Royal Charter”.'

http://www.deaneroadcemetery.com/biographies.htm#Marks

I can't find a death registration for him though it is obvious that subsequently his body was identified.

The coroner at the inquest should have issued the death certificates on the bodies found but they would largely be for unknown - still there doesn't seem enough of those registered for the number of bodies that were found.

'The Coroner Mr. W. JONES, apologized for being unable to get an entirely English-speaking jury, they were, however, the most respectable farmers of the district he could find.'

Anglesey local registration office will know much more about the event and might be able to explain what happened and why so few bodies do appear to have been registered.


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