Lost Aunt Mary Thomson Turner born 1908

[braven]

Hi Sandra

Many thanks for the information.

Braven

[janeygee]

  

Hi Braven;

Glad you have now got all your "Irvine Tree" in place,,just wondered
if you had parents for 'James & Elizabeth Robertson',,??? also
place of birth I only have their marriage in Gorbals/Glasgow,,,
Here is what I have on Jane Bell & Archie MacC,,,

Archibald Cameron MacCorquodale(b)25Dec/1898 Tiree,ArgylShre
(f)Donald (m) Mary ??; Archie (mar) Jeanie(Jane)Bell Irvine,,, June/
18th/1920.Glasgow. Archie was a Police-Officer in Glasgow, they had
'3'Sons before Jeanie died of "TB" in 1927;

(1) James Irvine MacCorquodale(b)23Oct/1920 Glasgow,served in
Royal Airforce WW2;emmigrated to Canada ,(mar)Olga Jaster in
Saskatchewan,and died in 1996;they had '4' kids; Carol Ann,
Graham Irvine Mac C; Donna May;Cameron Craig;
(2) Donald MacCorquodale (b) Glasgow; no info yet;
(3) Archibald MacCor;(b)7Apr/1927 Glasg;(mar) Peggy Smith had
'2' girls 'Lena & Jean' he was a Police-Officer in Toronto until he retired
he died in Brampton,Ontario ; no date yet;

Following 'Jeanie's death in 1927 Archie remarried  "Christina
Watson Cairns"(b)10Apr/1906 Loanhead,Edinb,Middloth;they
had "5" more kids;
(1)John Cairns Mac C;(b) 31 Aug/1932 (mar)Jessie Mgt Currie Japp;
(b)9July/1933 Glas;they moved to Canada Lived in Regina,Sask;
retired and moved back to Port Appin,Argyll.to live on mother's croft
they had '2' kids; Rhoderick & Sandra;
(2) Cameron MacCor; lives in Canada no info yet;
(3) May MacCor; (mar) Gordon MacKenzie;no info yet;
(4)William MacCor; lives in Port Appin,Argyll;no info yet;
(5) Christine MacCor; (b)2Dec/1947 (mar) Robert Rowan,lives in
Port Appin,Argyll,

Father 'Archie MacCor, died in Port Appin,Argyll 8 Feb/1968;no info
yet on second wife's death,,,

Let me know what you think of all this Braven, I have some
pictures of Esther & Andy I've never put any on here so I will
see if I can 'scan' them for you,

Very nice of Sandra to give you their marriage date,they left New York
 in 1933 for Scotland after Andy's father died in 1930 and took over
running the shop, Do you know the story of Euphamia Bell Laidley,??
I have all '8' kids of James & Elizb/Robertson but lost Jesse,and
a couple of others,,I'm looking in Argyllshire for them,,I have Martha
(b) in Dunoon Argyll; do you have that,,??

Well that's it for now Braven,,will look forward to hearing from you,ok

Kind regards;
Janey,,


 

[braven]

Hi Janey

Thanks very much for all the McCORQUODALE information.

I have James ROBERTON and Elizabeth McINTYRE as parents of Elizabeth ROBERTSON (b. app. 1831 - d. 22.4.1913), but no further details. I have tried looking for a marriage.
I have James IRVINE (b. app. 1801 Scotland) and Elizabeth McINTYRE (b. app. 1806 Lanarkshire) as probable parents of James IRVINE, along with six siblings.
I can find no link regarding the same maiden name.

For the children of James IRVINE and Elizabeth ROBERTSON I have a son (name unknown, from BC of Elizabeth McIntyre), Jane (app. 1854-1893), Elizabeth McIntyre (1855-1856), Jesse (1858-?), James (1862-1930) and Martha (1865-1865), so I am keen to know the names of the two I am missing.

A photograph of Andrew and Esther would be great.

Finally, regarding Euphemia Bell LAIDLEY, I have followed your posts explaining her adoption by John Thomas LAIDLEY (I presume she was illegitimate), but I am unaware of anything else.

Look forward to hearing from you

Braven

[braven]

Hi Janey

Bits I forgot -
Elizabeth ROBERTSON b. Calton, Glasgow app. 1831
James IRVINE b. Gorbals app. 1826
Archibald McCORQUODALE was an apprentice shipwright in 1920 and the marriage was at 4 Parkgrove Terrace, Hillhead, Glasgow (you probably already have this)
Jane Bell McCORQUODALE d. 1.10.1927 at 23 Fielden Drive, Partick, Glasgow (again, you probably have this)

Braven

[janeygee]

 
Hi Braven;

Been going through my files,must admit I do not have a lot on the
Irvine families as a whole, I just stayed mostly with cousin Esther
Backhouse married to Andrew. "Andy Irvine and my Father were
old school pals having grown up in the same area of Glasgow,and
they both sailed off as ship's crew to New York City from 1924 on
and after Esther arrived there in 1927 to join her '3' brothers Joe,
Frank,Archie, my Dad & Andy would visit them and that's how they
met.The two of them "Stayed" in NYC and got jobs in a hospital,
later in 1933 Andy & Esther came back to Glasgow to manage the
'shop' and they lived at #1248 Argyle St,Overnewtown,Glasgow.
their son "James Irvine 1V" was born there in 1936,,,,
Now for the rest of my files;- I have,,,,,

James Irvine(b)1801 Scotland(mar)Elizabeth McIntyre (b) 1803;Scot;
1Feb/1823 registered both parish's Gorbals & Eastwood,Renfrewshire;
their kids are;- James(b)1824 Gorbals,Lanark;Andrew(b)5Oct/bapt,30/Oct
1825;Mary(b)25Dec/bapt3Jan/1830;Gorbals;Martha(b)10Feb,bapt26Feb/
1832;Eliza(Elizabeth)(b)26Sept,bapt,13Oct/1833;Gorbals,Lanark;
On 1841 Cen Lanark; James gives age as '40yrs';Elizabeth 38yrs; on
1851 Cen,Lanark family are living in Blysthwood Dist; and James
gives his birth place as "Dumfrieshire",, I never found him there but
 of note a lot of "Irish" families came over to this area and there are
tons of "Irvine's in Ireland,,

James Irvine(b)1824 Lanark; (mar)Elizabeth Robertson(b)1831Lanark;
13July/1851,Gorbals,Lanark; on 1861 Census Dumbartonshire there is a
James & Elizabeth both (b) Glas/Lnk; at 168 High St,Close,Dumbarton;with
a daughter Jane Irvine(b)1854,Glas/Lnk;

This where it gets 'weird' Braven, I have a note on file for the following;-
Elizabeth McIntyre Irvine(b)5Sept/1855;Jesse,(b)27Apr/1858,Blysthwood, Lnk;James(b)24Feb/1862 Dunoon&Kilmun,Argyll;Martha(b)24Apr/1865;
Dunoon*Klm,Argyll;Their mother is listed as "Elizabeth McIntyre Irvine"
I am 'stumped',,

I will not give you anymore Braven till you digest all this and can compare
it to what info you have  already,I'll give you more info on "Andy's family
next time I hear from you,,ok ,,till then,,good hunting,,,

Kind regards;

Janey;

 

















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[braven]

Hi Janey

I have James IRVINE b. 1826 rather than 1824. Also, your census information differs from mine. I have -
1841 census living at Bridge Street, Gorbals, Glasgow
  Jas IRVINE       40   Umbrella maker  N
  Jas IRVINE Jun   15   Ap. tailor      Y
  Elizabeth IRVINE 35                   Y
  Mary IRVINE      11                   Y
  Martha IRVINE     9                   Y
  Eliza IRVINE      7                   Y
  Jean IRVINE       2                   Y
  Helen IRVINE      4m                  Y

1851 census living at 7 Bridge Street, Gorbals, Glasgow
  Elizabeth IRVINE 46 Head  Umbrella maker  Glasgow
  Elizabeth IRVINE 16 Dau.  Umbrella maker  Glasgow
  Jean IRVINE      11 Dau.  Umbrella maker  Glasgow
  Margaret IRVINE   5 Dau.  At school       Glasgow
  Jessie IRVINE     2 Dau.                  Glasgow

I therefore have additional children from the census -
  Jean/Jane IRVINE b. 1839 Gorbals
  Helen IRVINE b. ?.2.1840 Gorbals
  Margaret IRVINE b. app. 1846 prob. Gorbals, Glasgow
  Jessie IRVINE b. app. 1849 prob. Gorbals, Glasgow

I am not sure when James died, but presumably between 1848 and 1851.
James (b. 1924/26) carried on the family business of umbrella maker, as did his sister (presumably under her maiden name).

Slater's Royal National Commercial Directory 1878
Jane IRVINE - Umbrella manufacturer at 7 Bridge Street, Glasgow

I also have -

Pigot and Company National Commercial Directory - date unknown
Jas IRVINE - umbrella manufacturer at 3 New Bridge Street, Glasgow

Jean/Jane IRVINE m. Francis McHUTCHISON 2.6.1857 and on the 1861 census Margaret and Jessie are living with them at 11 Bridge Street. Margaret is an umbrella maker.

See post 74 for my list of children of James and Elizabeth. I have checked all the birth certificates and can find no reference to Elizabeth McIntyre IRVINE as the mother. They are all Elizabeth IRVINE nee ROBERTSON.

In post 73 you say you have 8 children for James and Elizabeth and I have only found 6, so I am really keen to find any others.

Best wishes

Braven

[janeygee]

 

YO Braven;
I think you may have better access to the records than I do, I see
a few connections to your list but "Irvine" is such a common name
I find it hard to sort them out who is who,,
I do have James Irvine(b)1822 age 39yrs,occupation "Umbrella Maker"
wife Elizabeth ?? age 36yrs,and daughter "Jane" age 7yrs,,say they
are all born Glasgow/Lnk;address on 1861 Cen Dunbartonshire County,
168 High Street,Close,Dunbarton,,
Now if I know I think Renfrew came under county of Dunbartonshire, so
is this the correct guy's,,

Next 1871 Census Lanark I have Elizabeth Irvine,Head of house,age 38yr
(b) 1833 occ; Dressmaker; daughter Jane age 17yrs I cannot make out
her occupation, some kinda "Eliot Maker",, also son James 8yrs (b)
1863 Dunoon,Argyllshire,their address 227 South Wellington Street,
Hutchesontown,Glas/Govan Parish,,,I know that place is also the "Gorbals"
as I have other 'rellies' lived on the same street,,,

I definitely have James Irvine (mar)Elizabeth McIntyre 1Feb/1823;Gorbals
&Eastwood/Renfrew, no parents names but '4'kids;Andrew;1825;Mary;1829;
Martha;1832;Eliza;1833;all(b)Gorbals,Lanark;so I'm sure this is them,,

I have James Irvine(mar)Elizabeth Robertson;13July,/1851 Gorbals,Lnk;
I have kids;John(b)1854 Renfrew;Elizabeth McIntyre Irvine;1855;Tradeston,
Mary Jane;1857;Greenock,Renfrewshire;Jesse:1858Blysthwood,Lnk;James
1862-3;Dunoon,Argyllshire;Martha:1865:Dunoon/Argylsh; On 1871 Census Glasgow/Lanarkshire they are living at 7 Surrey St,Gorbals,and James is a
"Shipyard Labourer",, most of these places are "Ports"

I will leave this with you now Braven,just one note ,on your list you have "Y" & "N" is this in answer to the question on the census where it asks if the
person was "Born" in the County,, ; James has an "N"  meaning "NO",,


Kind regards;

Janey;

Note; These records are only as good as the person inputing them,,I take them in stride;most people in those days had no idea of age or "DOB",,
they were basically uneducated;

[braven]

Hi Janey

You have the correct family and address in 1861. They had moved from Glasgow to 168 High Street Close, Dumbarton and then on to Dunoon, Argyll. They then moved back to 227 South Wallington Street, Govan by 1871, but James was now a commercial traveller and was away for the census. When James died in 1872 Elizabeth moved to 42 Old Dumbarton Road and was there until she died in 1913.

Jane is a shirt maker on the 1871 census.

The Y and N are for born in county or not, as you worked out. Because you have found the marrige registered in Gorbals and Eastwood, Renfrewshire, it might be reasonable to hypothesise that James was born there, as it is out of county.

You have John IRVINE b. 1854 Renfrew on your list. He could be the son mentioned on the birth of Elizabeth McIntyre IRVINE that I had not identified by name. Do you have any details? Can you remember where the information came from?
The same for Mary Jane b. 1857 Greenock.

Lastly, I am a little confused by your 1871 census entry for 7 Surrey Street, Gorbals as you also mention Elizabeth at 227 South Wallington Street, Hutchesontown in 1871 for the same family. The second address is certainly the correct one. Could you please send details of the 1871 Surrey Street address.

Best wishes

Braven

[janeygee]

 

 HI BRAVEN;

Just browsing the files and see we have not got any more here on the 'famous Irvine'
clan,,,are you still working on this,, I will have to do a crash course on the old
memory to catch up
Give me a shout when you can and just touch base ok Scanner is 'Kaput' for now so
no pictures to send,,sorry about that,, :

 Kind regards;

 Janey;