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Master Carter, both husband and wife 1851 Census
« on: Sunday 08 May 05 10:55 BST (UK) »
I was surprised to find the occupation description against both a husband and wife given as "Master Carter" in the 1851 Census for Lancashire.   I thought the term "Master" was only given if the trade was part of a guild - perhaps Carting was at one time.  Or maybe they were self-inflating their own business capabilities?  Any helpful suggestions...
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Re: Master Carter, both husband and wife 1851 Census
« Reply #1 on: Monday 09 May 05 11:28 BST (UK) »
One explanation is that it's a slip-up by the enumerator or transcriber, meaning to put "ditto".  But if not, it could be that the business had originally been the wife's, inheriting it from her husband.  On remarriage she kept the title.
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Re: Master Carter, both husband and wife 1851 Census
« Reply #2 on: Monday 09 May 05 12:54 BST (UK) »
Hi Suttontrust,
I'll try to look into the possibility that the wife's family were Carters, though I'm not entirely certain what her maiden name was yet.
Thanks for the reply, anyway...
Keith

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Re: Master Carter, both husband and wife 1851 Census
« Reply #3 on: Monday 09 May 05 18:33 BST (UK) »

 ??? Is it possible that they made carts as opposed to driving them?
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Re: Master Carter, both husband and wife 1851 Census
« Reply #4 on: Monday 09 May 05 19:01 BST (UK) »
Sue,
Hadn't thought of that, but a definite possibility...Someone who knows the true answer ought to come forward and put us out of our misery...
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Re: Master Carter, both husband and wife 1851 Census
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 10 May 05 04:57 BST (UK) »
Hi Keith
I don't think there is any way of knowing "the true answer" as to why the wife is listed as a master carter along with her husband. I tend to agree with the idea that it was an enumerator's mistake, but it is possible that she was an equal partner in the business, perhaps for the reason suggested by Suttontrust. If she had been a widow, I would not be at all surprised to see her listed as a carter, as quite a few women went on running businesses after their husbands died, but it is unusual when the husband was still living.

As to the title, "master carter", it is likely that he used the word "master" to indicate  that he owned the business and was not just a man employed as a carter. As you suggested,
probably inflating his importance, just a little. :)

No, a carter was not a maker of carts. A man who made carts was called a cartwright.

I have not exactly "put you out of your misery", but I hope you feel a little better. ;D
 
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Re: Master Carter, both husband and wife 1851 Census
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 10 May 05 06:56 BST (UK) »
Carmela,
Thanks for that comprehensive discussion of my problem, and - yes - I do feel much better about the whole business now!
Keith

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Re: Master Carter, both husband and wife 1851 Census
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 18 May 05 09:28 BST (UK) »
I too have found "carters" in my census notes for relatives on the Cambridgeshire 1871 census.

I understand it to be somewhere around the areas of "carting" things - people, produce, muck etc..

I also have a Gt Gt Grandfather who was a "coachman" and "journeyman" at various times before ending up as a "publican" in 1891. I'd like to think he was an early "cabbie"  :)
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Re: Master Carter, both husband and wife 1851 Census
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 18 May 05 09:35 BST (UK) »
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I also have a Gt Gt Grandfather who was a "coachman" and "journeyman" at various times before ending up as a "publican" in 1891. I'd like to think he was an early "cabbie"

coachman ==> Cabbie is OK but Journeyman has a totally different meaning, which is
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Journeyman A day labourer who had served his apprenticeship.
so he'd be a "journeyman Something-or-other"
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