Charles Frederick Swadling

[Kate NZ]

Charles was born May 1905 Eastbourne Sussex father Thomas Swadling mother Elizabeth would like help with the marriage of Thomas and Elizabeth would like to find her surname
Thanks Kate

[KGarrad]

On the 1881 census, Thomas' wife is Mary Elizabeth.
So this must be their marriage?

September qtr 1879
Eastbourne district    vol 2b, page 94

Swadling, Thomas Samuel
+ and on the same page +
Pearson, Mary Elizabeth


And the 1881 census:
Reference RG11, Piece 1039, Folio 128, Page 1
4 Dennis Cottages, Eastbourne

Swadling, Thomas  Head  M  21  Carpenter  b East Hoatley, Sussex
Swadling, Mary Elizabeth  Wife  F  18  b Eastbourne
Swadling, Elizabeth  Daughter  F  1  b Eastbourne

[Roy G]

I'm a bit sceptical that an 1879 marriage relates to a 1905 birth, especially as FreeBMD gives no matching Eastbourne birth between 1904-1906 for a Charles Frederick Swadling.  There was a marriage of a Thomas Joseph Swadling in Eastbourne in 1902, but his bride was not an Elizabeth.
The Elizabeth married to a Thomas on the 1881 census also seems to have died aged 39 in 1903.

Lastly, the only Swadling births in Eastbourne around the above years were a William 1904 and two females.  Furthermore, there appears to be nothing on the 1911 census that relates either.     Roy G

[crisane]

There's a birth for a Frederick Charles Swadling Eastbourne June 1/4 1909 vol 2b page 81 he is on the 1911 in a household in Eastbourne where only initials have been used for all the people and the father of three young children has the initial T and his son age 1 is under the initial C.

[Roy G]

Following Crisane's find showing the initials of the probable family, I note that no wife to T seems to be present, but there is an elderly female relative living there.  You may in fact find you have the families of 2 siblings living together or children from a first and second marriage supervised by a grandmother.  So it looks as though you will have to do a census purchase followed by some additional detailed research. 

The William born 1904 may be the child listed as W but some other details on FreeBMD do not seem to dovetail.   In other people's histories Elizabeths can be down as Lizzie so the suggested names might be L = Lizzie or Lucy, T = Thomas,  TP = Thomas Percy, W = William and C = Charles    

Other worthwhile purchases would seem to be the birth cert of (Frederick) Charles from 1909 which would give his mother's maiden name followed by a copy of the Marriage cert from Eastbourne issued during the Sept quarter 1902.  (GRO ref 2b 177).  The bride would have been either Lucy Marion Clifford or Harriet Body, not an Elizabeth.  Perhaps Elizabeth was the grandmother.    

My 1901 census index shows the senior lady as Lizzie born c1864 in Barkham.  Barkham could be Barcombe.    Roy G