Dorothy Violet Wisbey

[J.J.]

Looked into url submitted by kaz ...If his wife was Dorothy when he died, then she may have been the second wife not the first...
I don't see a marriage to Vivienne or anyone else in Oxford...or elsewhere? even miss spelled.
The children's names are even listed in there, but can't find her surname from a birth on FreeBMD either...that fits back to him...stumped on that

[*Sandra*]

Beechwood Cemetery Registers -

Arthur Warwick Beament. Born 1 st April 1898 Ottawa. Ontario.
Died 24 May 1966. Aged 68 years. Barrister.
95 Lakeway Drive. Rockcliffe.
Parent(s): Thomas Arthur Beament and  Edith Louisa Belford

Sandra

[*Sandra*]

Mother Violet stayed in Hoboken. NJ but made numerous trips to England.

Violet Wisbey. Born about 1882 and aged 69 years
Port of Departure: Southampton, England to New York on the Ile De France. Arriving 23 October 1951.
Going to 410 Cloverdale Road. Rockcliffe. Canada.

If Dorothy was an actress could she have changed her name to Vivienne ........      The age of the 2 look about the same. 

Sandra

[*Sandra*]

Violet Wisbey. Born about 1881 London. England and aged 53 years,

Plymouth, England to New York 16 August 1934 on the   Ile de France, arriving 16 August 1934.
Widowed. Occupation:- Manager. Nearest relative was Mrs L Papa, 38 Cavendish Road. Sutton. England. Had been in the USA since Sept 1924 to June 30th 1933. Daughter Castle Stevens. Hoboken. NJ (written in pencil looks like Favian Beisenberge) 

This seems to be the last time Violet gives herself the title of Manager.

Have looked at the UK BMD's & thought Dorothy Violet was an only child 

Sandra

[J.J.]

Hmmm, yes seems to be just the three of them, her husband Walter Wisbey ( don't see any marriage for them either, nor a death for Walter)
So was the Stevens daughter Dorothy with an acting name?
This lady, all gussied up and in the senate chamber, is called Mrs Warwick Beament...column one page 11/1935
So he was married before the war...and prior to 1935...and also went as Warwick
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=XnYtAAAAIBAJ&sjid=jZgFAAAAIBAJ&pg=6613,2281913&dq=arthur+warwick+beament&hl=en
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=pPMuAAAAIBAJ&sjid=5dsFAAAAIBAJ&pg=7127,5101546&dq=warwick+beament&hl=en
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ixwvAAAAIBAJ&sjid=0tsFAAAAIBAJ&pg=5738,4510970&dq=warwick+beament&hl=en
She may be still ailve in 1932
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=We8uAAAAIBAJ&sjid=RdsFAAAAIBAJ&pg=7268,6843034&dq=warwick+beament&hl=en

Prior to 1927, as here she has a young son ...Just newborn??
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=aDg0AAAAIBAJ&sjid=ivUIAAAAIBAJ&pg=7055,1794924&dq=warwick+beament&hl=en
So this must be that son
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=cTRgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=h28NAAAAIBAJ&pg=3687,1788811&dq=arthur+beament&hl=en

[J.J.]

1925... Getting closer, but this groom's party shows her last name was Quesnal....so do we have 3 marriages?  This one took place the next sat. which would have been Oct 24 1925
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=4VkuAAAAIBAJ&sjid=m9kFAAAAIBAJ&pg=7069,4488398&dq=warwick-beament&hl=en

ah, that's why it doesn't come up the announcements page is a mess....looks as though she's the daughter of the late Dr. Quesnel?
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=QBJtjoHflPwC&dat=19251026&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

So this marriage isn't coming up under Carleton 1925, so did it take place elsewhere?
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~maryc/carl1925p4.htm

[ajayr]

Thanks everybody - the response has been amazing.

My major problem is in establishing that the Dorothy Violet Wisbey who sailed on the 'Leviathan' with her mother Violet Wisbey and arrived New York 22 Sept 1924 is the same as she who married Arthur Warwick Beament date unknown. The Beament references on the internet place them in the Ottawa area of Canada - some distance from New York.

All the information is plausible but I feel that relying simply on the name Dorothy Violet Wisbey, although a fairly unusual combination, needs something more concrete such as a mother's or father's name on a marriage certificate or a newspaper report of the wedding - any ideas??

Tony Randall

[*Sandra*]

Looks like we are fresh out of ideas at the moment - still trying to piece together the story.
Sounds as if you probably knew most of this already ?

Hmmm, yes seems to be just the three of them, her husband Walter Wisbey ( don't see any marriage for them either, nor a death for Walter)

HI JJ

There is  a marriage of Violet Absolon to Percy Francis Wisbey - Epsom - June 1902 - 2a 29
There is a family tree entry with Violet (Dorothy's) Mother described as Violet de Mansfield Absolon.
Another showing a death date for Percy 1909 - no source 

Reply 6 - It was George Beament who married in Oxfordshire in March 1941 to Brenda Thoms. - 3a 4083.

Found 2 newspaper announcements for Beament children but to G E Beament and Brenda Thomas.
One in Cambridge Uk 20 Jan 1942 (Redg March 1942) and the other Leatherhead 4 May 1944 (Couldn't see that one redg)

Sandra

[J.J.]

My booboo on the tax page..How did I miss that? Duh...Thanks for pointing that out, Sandra. I also saw the marriage of a Percy & Violet but it didn't follow through,  I guess because the husband died so young...
...have crossed it out then... perhaps Walter was a brother to Percy.

Anyway, Tony, the marriage must have been later than you thought and so not transcribed yet. We took a roundabout way to get to it, but now you see there was a previous marriage, and so the marriage to Dorothy may have taken place in the 1930s. There may be a date and place for their marriage mentioned in the newspapers, but I couldn't find it.  Also it could have taken place elsewhere, if they were both globetrotters

Sandra, it is odd that the tree you found does not follow through with Dorothy's information  ?
J.J.