Thomas JACKSON and Charlotte C. ?????

[liverpool annie]

Hi Colin

Just thought I'd tell you I have sent those images again - let me know when you receive them OK?

Annie

[cailean]

Hi Annie ,
Many thanks ...will do.
Colin

[cailean]

Re. Elizabeth Helen (known as Nellie) Buckenham nee Jackson.

I have a pretty firm date of birth for her (23 Nov 1891). This is because, after her marriage to her husband Robert (aka Bob) Buckenham and the birth of two daughters, Lucy and Ivy, Nellie and her family emigrated to Canada joining Thomas Buckenham, (Robert's brother who had emigrated years earlier) and Thomas's  wife, Ethel Blanche See. Thomas had established himself as a farmer in Canada and for a time Robert worked with his brother but life in Canada was not to Robert's liking and the family returned to Nottingham UK where Robert resumed work in a brickyard and he and Nellie had a third daughter, June.  All of this information is printed in North of the Gulley History Book Committee by Turner Warwick Printed Maidstne Mirror Saskatchewan 1981.

Census asks for age last birthday (I think) so in 1901 census am I right in thinking Nellie should be declared as 9 years (or 10 years if the census was held on or after 23 Nov that year). Do we know what date the census was taken?

I suppose it is conceivable that Nellie could have been farmed out to relatives of whom I am unaware and who recorded her as their own child on the census, perhaps to avoid embarrassment. It is possible that as a child Nellie was sent to a workhouse although I thought such institutions were more for orphans or destitute parents and their children. Clearly, Nellie did not lose contact with her mother Charlotte S.S. as in later life, certainly in the 1930s Nellie and her family, my father (Francis Thomas Jackson) and his mother were all living in close proximity to each other in the Meadows area of Nottingham. Also, when my father was a young child he lived with his mother in the Meadows area and his grandfather, Thomas Jackson,  (who never spoke to him owing to his illigitimacy or so he claimed), lived close by. My father had a childhood recollection of attending the funeral, along with his mother, of his grandfather in Wilford....... This is another line of enquiry I am trying to follow. If I can locate the grave, I might be able to ascertain his precise date of death and also whether other family members are buried with him. I have already located the grave of my father's mother Charlotte S.S. in The City of Nottingham Sothern Cemetery. This grave was purchased by my father in 1940 and his mother is the only occupant. I discovered that this grave can be transferred now to my ownership and that there is room in it for the burial of three more bodies or the ashes of I think it was ten people! Food for thought!

Anyway, I'd like the details .... certainly of No 2 on your list as Melton Mowbray looms large in all of this and the age for her is about right.   No 3. is a possibility on basis of age although Birmingham is 35 miles or more distant from where Charlotte was living age 22 when she gave birth to Nellie in 1891. No 4 seems unlikely - child too young and Durham is a long way North . The workhouse is I suppose another possibility - Northamptonshire County is adjacent to Leicestershire so not too far away.

UPDATE : NOW LOCATED AS ELIZABETH ELLEN LIVING IN NEARBY SCALFORD IN 1901 AGED 9 YEARS WITH A LADY CALLED SARAH KNAPP WHO DESCRIBES HER AS A NURSE CHILD.

[liverpool annie]

Colin
did you get your images ? I asked Wendy to help us ...
Annie

[jcol]

Colin,  this family is directly linked to mine.  I have the full history of Charles Edward Liddell and his parents.  I have the line for Charlotte in Jersey back to 1475 and have traced the line for the Liddells.  I have the marriage records for Thomas Jackson and Edward Liddell who married Charlotte Clark Howe of jersey. Please get in touch  regards John Colam

[jcol]

I have this family line back to Charlotte Clark Howe who firstly married Edward Liddell and in 1867 she married Thomas Jackson.  Have lots of information - happy to share.  regards John

[Mike E]

CHARLOTTE SERAPIS SOADY JACKSON who was born circa 1869 on HMS troopship Serapis.

I wonder if you have seen the GRO index of marine births 1862-1875 includes this birth - reference page 173.  I am not sure how to get a copy of the entry (possibly from www.gro.gov.uk - overseas births) but if possible this could provide more information.

Mike

[cailean]

Hi Mike,
No, I haven't seen this entry relating to the birth of my grandmother Charlotte Serapis Soady Jackson on board the troopship HMS Serapis in the GRO records of births at sea 1862 -1875 and am wondering if it is possible to view this on line. I have no real expertise in genealogy research so please be gentle with me! Is it possible for you to tell me how to view page 173 of the records. I looked at the GRO website and it looks as if you can buy a hard copy of a marine birth for around £7 on line but they seem to need a lot of detail to order a certificate and it would be nice to view the record on line first if this is possible. I presume it must be. I did find just one page of marine births for this period on a site called Familyrelatives.org but the birth I'm interested in seeing the record of wasn't among those on that page.
Thanks very much for getting in touch and, if you can help further, it would be appreciated.
Regards, Colin.

[Mike E]

Hi Colin -

I have never ordered a marine birth so I'm not sure about the process myself.  I think you will have to order a hard copy - and I hope the name, years and page number will be sufficient detail.   If it is anything like an ordinary birth certificate, it will have lots or additional information that is well worth the £7 and it can be ordered on-line with a credit card.

PS - I got the reference from the index on Familyrelatives.org in the free 'Overseas births' bit.

Mike