Morgan and John

[pembsgal]

some more info:

Gareth was Ceinwens son who died aged 4 in (not sure of the year)
Ceinwen herself died inn 1946/7 aged approx 29 years. 

The Father of Ceinwen and Magwen etc (John morgan) died in approx 1942 of lung disease.

Have found out that the Mum Hannah John (Morgan) died in around 1942 as was 'just' alive when Nanny and Gags (Magwen and William) married in 42.

She(Hannah) died of a stomach growth that she went to the doctor too late about

Does any of this help?

J

[pembsgal]

Just had long conversation with my aunt - turns out Hannah could be Anna... and she had one sister Ruth.
Hopefully I can trace them now

[toni*]

i think you need Magwen birth certificate as otherwise you are working on could be's
if you can also find the detah registartion whihc i think youhavethis whould give an approximate year of birth for both John & Hannah

[AMBLY]

Hi

I do agree with Toni, as there is more than 1 possibility even with a sister named Ruth into the mix. I wonder if the birth cert of the child born 1911 would be a good idea   - as it was close to the Census and the address may be able to be traced?

Just in case though:
Magwen & William married Dec Qtr Haverfordwest. and if Hannah/Anna is said to have died very close to that time, in Haverfordwest RD area the only possibility  I can see  is: Harriet A MORGAN age 58 (born abt 1884) in Dec Qtr 1942.

I wonder if the following is her: right sort of area in the Census! The  marriage area isn't as far as what we 'know' so far,   but the names fit...

FreeBMD Marriage:  on that same page are:
Mar Qtr 1909, Bridgend, Glam, 11a, 1075
John MORGAN
Harriet Anna JOHN

FreeBMD Birth: Mar Qtr 1884, Haverfordwest, 11a, 942
Harriet Hannah JOHN

1891: St Nicholas, Haverford West, Pembrokeshire
RG12 / Piece: 4541 / Folio 67 / Page 8
Benjamin HARRIES 70, widr, Farmer, b Llanwnda, Pemb.
Son; William HARRIES 22, single, Farmers Son, b Mathry,  Pemb.
Dau: Phoebe JOHN 37, wid, b Mathry,  Pemb.
Gr-Son: Richard JOHN 11, b Mathry,  Pemb.
Gr-Dau: Ruth JOHN 9, b Jordanston, Pemb
Gr-Dau: Harriet 7, b Mathry,  Pemb. (abt 1884)

1901: The Village, St Nicholas, Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire
RG13/ Piece: 5133/ Folio: 75/ Page: 2
Benjamin HARRIES 80, widr, Farmer, b Llanwnda, Pemb.
Son; William HARRIES 22, single, Farmers Son, b Mathry,  Pemb.
Dau: Phebe JOHN 48, wid, b Mathry,  Pemb.
Gr-Son: Richard B JOHN 21 , farmer's Grandson, b Mathry,  Pemb.
Gr-Dau: Harriet A JOHN 17, General Domestic Servant, b Mathry,  Pemb. (abt 1884)

I wonder if your Hannah, can be recalled as having had an older brother named Richard 

Cheers
AMBLY

[pembsgal]

Thats her!
This post with the names jogged the memory of an aunt who remembers some of them and the names etc etc fit.Thank you so very much everyone
 x

[pembsgal]

Just wanted to thank everyone once again, it's been quite a journey and is amazing to have found long ago family who we thought we wouldn't ever know a thing about!
My family tree is looking wonderful now!
Thank you all
Jayne

[Tjapaltjarri]

Well done all.

A search for Morgans living with Johns in Haverfordwest on the 1911 census confirms that Harriet A and John are living with Harriet's mum Phoebe John. John Morgan born 1877 Llanwnda is listed as a farmer so perhaps his status has changed with the death of grandad Benjamin Harries the farmer in 1908.

[pembsgal]

do we know who Benjamin married

[Tjapaltjarri]

Ruth David 1851 Haverfordwest

HTH

Howard