Help to find Henry Simmons

[jbj63]

Have you girls noticed that in 1901 when the Simmons family were at 6 Park Road Mile End,that an Edward Hammond was living next door 

Is that who she married in 1928 I wonder?

He was a carpenter and born in 1851 ish.

Carol

Well done - Edward Hammond was indeed a carpenter so I think it must be the right person.

[jbj63]

She is christened as Flora Henrietta born 20th November 1858 and christened 25th June 1865 at St Mary Islington - a bulk christening

Will post details if  jbj63 wants them  Parents Henry Turner Arminger and Emma

I would love the details if you have them.

I see her fathers name is Henry Turner Arminger.  I've had a look and can't see any Armingers that would have been born about the right time. 

Any ideas?

This is looking promising.  I think David Arminger must have just decided to use his middle name as his surname.  Did people do that in Victorian times?

Thanks

Julie

[carol8353]

I bet you were quite surprised to log on today Julie and find all this info 
Have you managed to make sense of it?

IN 1861 they were at 100 Bayham ? St Pancras

Henry Arminger 33 head ,a dyer , b Reading
Emma Arminger wife 34 b Middlesex (the writing is atrocious!)
Elizabeth dau 6 scholar b St Pancras
Emma dau 5 "                 "
Flora H dau 2 b "
Elenor dau 9 mths b "

RG9/116 folio 27 page 47.

Henry Arminger seems to die quite young.

March 1/4 of 1877 aged 48 in Bethnal Green

Ref 1c page 160

Carol

Amended 15/11 to show Henry as head of house 

[rosie99]

She is christened as Flora Henrietta born 20th November 1858 and christened 25th June 1865 at St Mary Islington - a bulk christening
Will post details if  jbj63 wants them  Parents Henry Turner Arminger and Emma

I would love the details if you have them.

25th June 1865 St Mary, Islington.
Elizabeth Emily born 27th May 1853
Emma Louisa born 21st January 1856
Flora Henrietta born 20th November 1858
Eleanor Janet born 25th July 1860
daughters of Henry Turner and Emma Eliza Arminger - Residence Alma Terrace, fathers occupation Dyer

St Chad, Haggerston 14th January 1874
Miriam Davis dtr of Henry and Emma Eliza Arminger -resident 4 Laburnim Terrace- occupation Dyer

Rosie

[rosie99]

I bet you were quite surprised to log on today Julie and find all this info 
Have you managed to make sense of it?

IN 1861 they were at 100 Bayham ? St Pancras

David Arminger 33 head ,a dyer , b Reading
Emma Arminger wife 34 b Middlesex (the writing is atrocious!)
Elizabeth dau 6 scholar b St Pancras
Emma dau 5 "                 "
Flora H dau 2 b "
Elenor dau 9 mths b "
RG9/116 folio 27 page 47.

.Carol

Carol,
I think her place of birth says Clerkingwell (Clerkenwell)    Henry is still head of House.

[carol8353]

Carol,
I think her place of birth says Clerkingwell (Clerkenwell)    Henry is still head of House.

I could see the well bit but couldn't work out what the rest said.Thanks.
I "knew" that Henry was the head,goodness only knows why I typed David 
Must have been way past my bedtime 
Have amended it now!

Carol

[jbj63]

Hi All

All this info is great!

We seem to have traced all my granddads brothers - but we still can't trace him!

I am beginning to think that maybe he was found under a gooseberry bush!

My granddad wasn't born Henry Simmons and he wasn't born Henry Arminger either.  I did find one Henry Arminger but it would appear that he died at birth or soon after.

I am rather surprised that all the other children appear to have been baptised and he wasn't.  First of all I thought maybe he hadn't been baptised because he was illegitimate, but on looking closer it appears that they all were - as she never married!

Why is it that all records for him don't seem to exist?  He served in WW1 - no records appear to have survived.  No birth certificate - he never had one.  No baptism.

Am I really here typing this!!  Do I really exist!

Thanks for all your help.

Julie

[jbj63]

Florence's father on the baptism record was named as Henry Turner Arminger.  I've looked for him in the birth records and I can't find him either!

What is it about Henrys'!

Julie

[carol8353]

Florence's father on the baptism record was named as Henry Turner Arminger.  I've looked for him in the birth records and I can't find him either!

What is it about Henrys'!

Julie

Perhaps your family have a Henry complex 

The Henry Turner Arminger would have been born c 1828,so before BMD records existed. If he had been baptised then you might find his baptism if you knew which church he'd been baptised at!

Be aware that people seemed to add and drop middle names like hot potatoes as and when it suited them,but of course it's possible that his mum was a Turner.

Carol