89 Lower Baggot Street

[tanicampbell]

my grandmother was born in 89 baggot street lower, in 1913. Mary dunne signed. she was bishop surname.

[Kiltaglassan]

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Is your grandmother the Rhoda Olive Bishop with birth date 20 October 1913 who was born at 89 Baggot Street Lower? Her mother Elizabeth Pemberton, her father Shenstone Bishop, a dentist. Mary Dunne was the informant who signed.

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[tanicampbell]

yes thats her...how do you know?

[Kiltaglassan]

yes thats her...how do you know?

It was easy to find her birth using https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp.
The only female Bishop birth in 1913, who was born at 89 Baggot Street Lower.

Do you have both Shenstone Bishop and Lily (Elizabeth) Pemberton together in the 1911 census?
House 9 in Kilnamucky (Blarney, Cork).
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Blarney/Kilnamucky/383755/ (scroll 4/5 of way down)
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001847670/

[tanicampbell]

Yes thanks, im finding out my great grandfather was quite famous in Dublin. If you look him up it was a masssive scandal. I think he only went to cork for a short while, probably to escape the scandal.

[Kiltaglassan]

https://censusconnections.ie/shenstone-bishop/#:~:text=In%201909%20a%20petition%20for,their%20neighbour%20Dr%20John%20McArdle.

Shenstone was aged 44 when he and his daughter Ethel, 11, named after her mother, stayed in the Hydro hotel the night of the 1911 census. With them was Lily Pemberton, a governess for Ethel. Lily was originally from Kiliney where her family lived. I wonder would the other guests in the Hydro that night have known that Shenstone was involved in such a salacious scandal two years previously. Or would they have even cared that the goings-on were the equivalent of an episode of Eastenders.

Further adding to that sense of drama is the revelation that Shenstone went on to marry Lily the following year in November 1912. They married in the church of St Peter’s in Dublin city centre. And the marriage certificate notes in the condition column, which usually simply indicates Bachelor/Spinister, that Shenstone was previously married to Ethel Mary Curtis and that ended in divorce in Aug 1912.

Marriage 2 November 1912
Shenstone John BISHOP and Elizabeth Anne PEMBERTON
St Peter's Parish Church, Dublin
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1912/09930/5610159.pdf

[tanicampbell]

Thank you very much.